Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
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Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 10:52 AM
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I'm on Broadband Premier, and my typical daily usage might be something like:
Peak usage: >500MB
Off-peak: 2 GB
Nothing changed from normal usage this week, but the reported usage at PlusNet is:
Sun 16 Jan
Peak usage: 0
Off-peak: 74.76MB
Mon 17 Jan
Peak usage: 0
Off-peak: 0
Tue 18 Jan
Peak usage: 0
Off-peak: 0
Wed 19 Jan
Peak usage: 83.62MB
Off-peak: 186.26MB
All these numbers are wrong (I was using the Internet completely as normal every day this week). Today, Thu 20, is showing 0KB, and is about right, because the connection isn't working.
Anyone got any idea what the cause of this is, and how likely this is to be related to my broadband connection being broken at the moment?
My connection to PlusNet appears to be OK in terms of getting assigned the correct fixed WAN IP address, and have my usual SNR Margin (10.5) and usual Loop Attenuation (30.5).
Any suggestions of how to fix the connection would be appreciated...
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 12:14 PM
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See this post: http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,92444.msg774853.html and this status information: http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&support_action=messages&ispservice_id=portal
Using FTTC since 2011. Currently on 80/20 Unlimited Fibre Extra.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 12:28 PM
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From Windows, I can ping sites OK without packet loss; and traceroute works fine too. So, right now, I'm not sure why I have no web access from my connection.
(On a Mac I'm seeing packet loss, and failure of traceroute to get past my router onto the WAN)
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 1:11 PM
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If you're having connection problems, then treat that as a totally separate issue.
Are your line stats showing that you are reconnecting often, or staying connected throughout? One tool that might help identify issues over time, as you have a fixed IP, is the "Think Broadband" quality meter. Essentially a tool that pings your router from the internet, and keeps graphs showing latency and packet loss 24/7. If that shows regular bursts of lost pings, it suggests resyncs happening.
Otherwise you are seeing that ping & traceroute works, but HTTP doesn't. What about other protocols (eg email, ssh, telnet)? Someone had a similar issue recently which appeared to be a problem with the router (I think a netgear DGN1000) which was fixed by an upgraded replacement (I think DGN2xxx). That one had problems over the wireless link, but worked when wired.
Using FTTC since 2011. Currently on 80/20 Unlimited Fibre Extra.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 1:47 PM
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Thanks for the various suggestions, including trying out wired connection, and different routers etc. Will do that next.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 4:50 PM
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o Tried with a brand new router, new microfilters, and using the main telephone socket in the house
There is still no access to web-sites, and now can't get a response from sending requests over telnet on port 80. Ping and traceroute to google still work fine though when the connection is live.
One thing that has become apparent with the new router, is that the connection is dropping frequently - every few minutes. Then, after a short while, the connection comes back. Even when the router reports that it's connected to the Internet though, and ping and traceroute are working, web-sites still never work.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 5:30 PM
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Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 6:49 PM
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If you think your line is disconnecting, and want to see how much, then a graph is definitely useful to visualise. For that you may find the RouterStats tool to be useful, if you have the right kind of router: http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/internet/files.htm. Or RouterStats-lite for a smaller subset. That will monitor the router's perception of your line.
Obviously there's still the BQM from TBB. That will monitor the line from the other end.
Finally, as you seem to be getting strange behaviour, you might find Wireshark useful. that will monitor the ethernet card, and let you know about the packets going back-and-forth. You should be able to see whether you are getting any responses to those port-80 requests, or any others.
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Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 9:00 PM
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- The line doesn't seem to drop, so much as the router being logged off the Plusnet network after really short times (typically stays connected for less than a minute). That is, the router loses its WAN IP address and related information (DNS servers etc) all the time, then the router tries to log-in again (see excerpt from log below)
- However, even when there is no apparent log-in the the Plusnet network (the router reports that it is not connected to the Internet, and no WAN IP address etc) the Internet is actually still accessible. That is ping and traceroute still work fine, even then.
Jan 20 17:44:32 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 17:48:25 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 17:48:52 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 17:50:17 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 17:53:54 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 17:56:17 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 17:58:25 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:01:35 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:02:13 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:02:56 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:09:17 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:10:52 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:13:07 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:17:52 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:20:34 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:21:59 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:24:18 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:25:06 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:28:45 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:31:02 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:31:52 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:34:09 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:34:59 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:37:16 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:38:03 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:39:33 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:40:34 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:43:44 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:45:36 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:47:06 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:48:07 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:49:42 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:50:43 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:51:31 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:52:43 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 18:54:13 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 18:55:14 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:02:16 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:03:06 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:03:43 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:06:09 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:07:44 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:08:45 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:09:23 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:10:35 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:13:35 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:14:13 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:14:55 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:16:08 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:16:50 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:18:02 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:20:25 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Jan 20 19:21:15 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Not Connected
Jan 20 19:21:52 router daemon.info wanstatus[992]: Internet Status: Connected
Hopefully Plusnet support will be able to see what's going from their end.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
20-01-2011 11:58 PM
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The pattern would make me initially think of authentication problems, but some of the connected times are more than a few minutes, so it is probably not that.
BTW - as you gather more information, don't be tempted to go back and update the fault ticket. Unfortunately that puts you at the back of the queue again.
Counter-productive, but that's the system...
Best to just gather the data, so you can post it all here, or in one go on the ticket, after you get a response.
Using FTTC since 2011. Currently on 80/20 Unlimited Fibre Extra.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
21-01-2011 9:29 AM
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Support Wizard Journey
[Self-test and Raise a Fault]
So given that raising is fault is what I tried to do the first time, I didn't want to simply repeat the process in case I got an identical response, so I've asked them to raise the fault. I don't know whether they're able to do that. I hope they are.
Re: Problem with connection and account in PlusNet database
21-01-2011 11:09 AM
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- My logs say my router last connected to the Plusnet network at 10.50am this morning, and the connection hasn't been lost since then (it's now 11.08)
- I now have web access
Assuming Plusnet fixed the issue, and someone tells me what the problem was, I'll let people what the issue was, here.
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