Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn

[#1]

Quote from: Kelly

What do you guys think about the 'active choice' proposals?  (having a question in sign up which must be answered to prevent ISP side filtering)

I too think this is a bad idea, and should not be implemented, do as AAISP is going to do,This isn't about protecting children, it won't do that Government ministers are totally clueless on how the internet works,  and to comment on the IWF filtering this i think in reality is not really needed, How many people have inadvertently stumbled upon child porn? i don't know of anyone who has and i haven't done so personally, and that is using a connection that is free from any form of filtering, But i do know that the IWF gets used to block other types of content deliberately , I think the end user should be given a choice to have a truly unfiltered internet connection,
Someone elsewhere raised a good point , if isp's start to censor their customers connections then surely they cannot continue to charge the same fee, as they will be providing  a restricted access instead , But there are other questions who decides what url's go onto blacklists?  and who is answerable should access end up being blocked to say a newspaper web site that shouldn't be blocked ? and who is going to pay for this active choice nonsense, just those who want  the isp to nanny them or everyone ?

[#2]

Quote from: deathtrap

there are other questions who decides what url's go onto blacklists?   and who is answerable should access end up being blocked to say a newspaper web site that shouldn't be blocked ? and who is going to pay for this active choice nonsense, just those who want  the isp to nanny them or everyone ?

Exactly!
As a 'responsible parent' I already take reasonable steps to 'protect' my children when they're using the internet.  Having an autistic 14 year-old son I have to be fairly proactive and I cannot see how an ISP can be expected to set appropriate rules and monitor as necessary.

[#3]

As a parent, I generally don't have any difficulty filtering what I wish my children to see, mainly using OpenDNS filters and keyword + URL blocking.
The biggest issue for me, is what to do about YouTube.
I wouldn't have much of an issue with my children watching the videos, but it is the widespread profanity and abuse that other people leave in the comments that I don't want my kids to read.  Because of the widespread and unnecessary filth posted as comments, I have YouTube blocked on my kids network connections, and if they HAVE to watch something specific (e.g. for homework) then I download the video on to my (unfiltered) machine and copy it to my kids PC drive. 
I really don't understand why YouTube doesn't have a swear filter, like the one used by this forum, as posting comments containing profanities isn't acceptable, and it isn't big and it's not clever !
Can you imagine the uproar that would be caused if David Cameron's filter blocked YouTube ?

[#4]

I don't know why parents feel the need to have a computer try to control what a child sees.
Put the PC in the living room and occasionally look at it.
You could even perform some parent-child interaction from time to time.
(ie talk to them).

[#5]

@ purleigh Re Youtube  This is just one example why filtering won't do what the clowns like camerCON are touting,
If a internet connection can pass traffic then it's will never be 100% safe  censorship such as this so called active choice  isn't a step forwards is 3 steps in the opposite direction, Have a read of what the director of AAISP has to say about it, he is far more clued up than government ministers and tells it how it is sometimes blunt but truthful
http://revk.www.me.uk/2013/08/what-could-determined-small-isp-do.html,

[#6]

Children are more savvy than us with technology. They'll just use TOR if they want to access porn. Quite frankly,this is just another coalition stunt to try and boost their approval ratings. Oh,for the good old days when you had to brave the postie by paying for your adult rag by post or endure an embarassing visit to the newsagent!! At least it was all airbrushed and posed! In hindsight,this was the thin edge of the wedge that all the prudes were warning us about.,although even they coudn't have forseen this! Not that I'm a prude. But the stuff on the internet is free for all. They ask you to click on an 'I'm eighteen and over' and that's it! Some of those models make allot of money,no doubt;but it isn't real love or sex! It gives children the wrong ideas about sex and makes them feel bad about themselves!

[#7]

When I was 14/15 we got adsl and parentals set up blocks for adult content... Think it took me just under an hour to get round it but still give the appearance all the blocks were in place. Even better the software had a txt file listing blocked websites!
In other words kids are smart and rebellious!
Also social porn is so prevalent these days on the likes of snapchat, whatsapp, tumblr, twitter you can find adult content in seconds that it would be nearly impossible to completely block it. IMHO blocking is ineffective and better parental education is needed

[#8]

Sensible Parents will assess their children's internet activities et al (no need for filters from ISP)
Non sensible Parents that like Drugs / Alchohol / 24/7 on Facebook / let their kids do their own thing(s) et al (NEEDS  ISP filters in place) to protect their children's internet activities
Ok schools et all will or should have some sort of filtering
Therefore
This is one topic out of many in respect of those that lack in parenting skills will always be argued