Issue after issue after issue...
Of course the best way to eliminate internal wiring issues, is to remove the internal wiring !
Fit a filtered faceplate (as shown) to your master phone socket, and don't reconnect the extension wires.
Plug your broadband modem directly into the "ADSL" socket - using the shortest RJ11 cable available.
Get some wireless telephones, and plug the DECT base-station into the "PHONE" socket.
Job done ! - your phone and broadband wiring is now as good as you can get
As a compromise, the filtered faceplate shown also allows you to reattach your original phone extension wiring, but it will now filter the extension wiring (including the "bell-wire") - but your extensions can now only be used for telephone (not your modem), however you no longer need all those nasty dangling filters to be attached to each phone.
As a compromise to the compromise, the above faceplate has a second set of extension terminals intended for a separate extension cable for your unfiltered broadband signal, preferably connected using some decent cable like cat5, so your modem can be located further away.
I wouldn't recommend doing this, as broadband ALWAYS works best when the modem is plugged directly into the master socket.
Fit a filtered faceplate (as shown) to your master phone socket, and don't reconnect the extension wires.
Plug your broadband modem directly into the "ADSL" socket - using the shortest RJ11 cable available.
Get some wireless telephones, and plug the DECT base-station into the "PHONE" socket.
Job done ! - your phone and broadband wiring is now as good as you can get
As a compromise, the filtered faceplate shown also allows you to reattach your original phone extension wiring, but it will now filter the extension wiring (including the "bell-wire") - but your extensions can now only be used for telephone (not your modem), however you no longer need all those nasty dangling filters to be attached to each phone.
As a compromise to the compromise, the above faceplate has a second set of extension terminals intended for a separate extension cable for your unfiltered broadband signal, preferably connected using some decent cable like cat5, so your modem can be located further away.
I wouldn't recommend doing this, as broadband ALWAYS works best when the modem is plugged directly into the master socket.
Quote from: purleigh Of course the best way to eliminate internal wiring issues, is to remove the internal wiring !
Fit a filtered faceplate (as shown) to your master phone socket, and don't reconnect the extension wires.
Quote from: briarley17 We now have an NTE5 socket, newest version with phone and broadband plugs above and below the recessed line. And yes, the router is attached directly.
Purleigh,
Easy to miss details in a busy thread!!
Kevin
Fortunately the jist of what I said still applies, particularly regarding the necessity to filter phone extension wiring, whether the extension wires are actually used or not. It would still be optimal just to disconnect the extension wires from the back of the master socket faceplate.
Quote from: Townman
Quote from: purleigh Of course the best way to eliminate internal wiring issues, is to remove the internal wiring !
Fit a filtered faceplate (as shown) to your master phone socket, and don't reconnect the extension wires.
Quote from: briarley17 We now have an NTE5 socket, newest version with phone and broadband plugs above and below the recessed line. And yes, the router is attached directly.
Purleigh,
Easy to miss details in a busy thread!!
Kevin
Oh dear, as you say Kevin, easy to miss details in a busy thread which I did as well
However, 1st question to briarley17, is the modem/router going to remain plugged in here at the master socket or do you wish to move it back to it's previous location?
2nd question, is it plugged directly into the top socket using the original short cable? Using "extension" cables can be as bad as the wrong standard wiring.
@purleigh
Quote from: purleigh Of course the best way to eliminate internal wiring issues, is to remove the internal wiring !
Fit a filtered faceplate (as shown) to your master phone socket, and don't reconnect the extension wires.
Plug your broadband modem directly into the "ADSL" socket - using the shortest RJ11 cable available.
Perfectly correct, and this always sounds like the perfect solution BUT it's not always convenient to locate a modem/router permanently at the "master" socket. There may not be a convenient physical location for the modem/router, nor a power socket nearby. Then there could be the issue of having an ugly Ethernet cable going to your computer(s) if you do not wish to use wireless, especially as it can give poorer performance.
Quote from: purleigh Get some wireless telephones, and plug the DECT base-station into the "PHONE" socket.
I would not recommend this as a matter of course. Some DECT phones can play havoc with broadband and double filtering doesn't always cure the problems. Also unless the base station has battery back-up, they won't work in a power cut - think about the possibility of an emergency situation. Whatever solution, you should always keep a corded phone as a standby. (and for testing).
Quote from: purleigh As a compromise, the filtered faceplate shown also allows you to reattach your original phone extension wiring, but it will now filter the extension wiring (including the "bell-wire") - but your extensions can now only be used for telephone (not your modem), however you no longer need all those nasty dangling filters to be attached to each phone.
That previous quote is of course correct.
Quote from: purleigh As a compromise to the compromise, the above faceplate has a second set of extension terminals intended for a separate extension cable for your unfiltered broadband signal, preferably connected using some decent cable like cat5, so your modem can be located further away.
I wouldn't recommend doing this, as broadband ALWAYS works best when the modem is plugged directly into the master socket.
Now, I'm afraid this is where some myths come into play.
You certainly need to use twisted pair cable (and not connect the bell wire), but using ugly Cat5 is totally unnecessary. CW1308 cable (as used by BT) is perfectly adequate for all ADSL. It is also UNTRUE that broadband always works best when plugged into the master socket. If CW1308 cable and filters are installed correctly broadband will work just as well at an extension socket.
"If a piece of wire in your phone extension circuit happens (by chance) to be the same length as the wavelength (or multiple) of a nearby interfering signal..."
That makes much more sense thank you
Thanks for all your replies, learning lots in the process of this!
Well I appreciate the help. I'm unable to really contribute to this community (particularly when people like yourselves do such good jobs of it already), but I like to think I do my fair share elsewhere!
I'll go through the steps tomorrow when I have some time and post back with my findings. I'll also post my latest router stats.
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Anotherone: It will remain in the master socket as this is its permanent location and yes it's in the top socket using the original short cable.
As you say, it's useful to have a phone when the power goes out. We have a corded phone on an extension socket for such occasions.
That makes much more sense thank you
Thanks for all your replies, learning lots in the process of this!
Quote from: Townman That's what the community is all about, especially in a situation such as yours. You clearly have a REIN issue and an "interesting" internal wiring set up.
Well I appreciate the help. I'm unable to really contribute to this community (particularly when people like yourselves do such good jobs of it already), but I like to think I do my fair share elsewhere!
I'll go through the steps tomorrow when I have some time and post back with my findings. I'll also post my latest router stats.
New posts since I started typing...
Anotherone: It will remain in the master socket as this is its permanent location and yes it's in the top socket using the original short cable.
As you say, it's useful to have a phone when the power goes out. We have a corded phone on an extension socket for such occasions.
Quote from: Anotherone there could be the issue of having an ugly Ethernet cable going to your computer(s) if you do not wish to use wireless, especially as it can give poorer performance.
What ? I've never seen an 'ugly' ethernet cable !
Look how pretty they are ! (even the pink one) -
I have used successfully used a star network of wireless bridges without performance issues,
but now run my network over the main wiring using homeplug adaptors.
Quote from: Anotherone Some DECT phones can play havoc with broadband and double filtering doesn't always cure the problems. Also unless the base station has battery back-up, they won't work in a power cut - think about the possibility of an emergency situation. Whatever solution, you should always keep a corded phone as a standby. (and for testing).
Cobblers !, DECT phones DON'T interfere with broadband unless they are faulty, or don't comply with "CE" specifications.
There should be nothing in a DECT phone causing interference or operating on the same frequencies as ADSL broadband.
Regarding power cuts (and testing) I have a wired handset and multiple mobile phones, BUT my modem, router, and DECT base station are powered by a UPS, therefore it protects the equipment from conducted mains noise, maintains the mains power for about two hours in the event of power outages, and protects my broadband IP profile from dropping after a series of mains brownouts.
Quote from: Anotherone You certainly need to use twisted pair cable (and not connect the bell wire), but using ugly Cat5 is totally unnecessary. CW1308 cable (as used by BT) is perfectly adequate for all ADSL. It is also UNTRUE that broadband always works best when plugged into the master socket. If CW1308 cable and filters are installed correctly broadband will work just as well at an extension socket.
What is it about cables that makes them ugly ?
Does "Cat5 Girl" change your mind ? -
Being pedantic, ADSL will NEVER be BETTER on an extension than being directly in the master socket, although it may appear to be no worse.
Fortunately you have established that this is not an issue for 'briarley17'.
Well cobblers to your cobblers Whilst you are correct that DECT phones shouldn't cause any issue if they are compliant with CE specs, I've personally seen CE marked phones that do give a problem. I've also seen some Panasonics widely reported as causing issues, I've seen a BT set cause issues myself, so whether it's that they just aren't complying or are faulty from new, I don't know.
The fact is they can cause an issue, and if you are having problems with broadband and have DECTs one of the first things to do is turn the whole lot off, handsets and base station, to eliminate them from the problem. To pretend or claim otherwise is as good as sticking ones head in the sand.
Whilst pink Cat5's may look sexy, they are fat compared to CW1308 and I've seen several posts round these boards over the years where posters have commented that their SWMBO has moaned about Cat5 cable - even mine does - mind you she moans about computers
But however, this should not detract from the fact that correctly installed extensions should NOT reduce broadband performance.
Whilst you are correct that DECT phones shouldn't cause any issue if they are compliant with CE specs, I've personally seen CE marked phones that do give a problem. I've also seen some Panasonics widely reported as causing issues, I've seen a BT set cause issues myself, so whether it's that they just aren't complying or are faulty from new, I don't know.The fact is they can cause an issue, and if you are having problems with broadband and have DECTs one of the first things to do is turn the whole lot off, handsets and base station, to eliminate them from the problem. To pretend or claim otherwise is as good as sticking ones head in the sand.
Whilst pink Cat5's may look sexy, they are fat compared to CW1308 and I've seen several posts round these boards over the years where posters have commented that their SWMBO has moaned about Cat5 cable - even mine does - mind you she moans about computers
But however, this should not detract from the fact that correctly installed extensions should NOT reduce broadband performance.
Perhaps they were the 'other' CE marked phones.
They should be compliant with "Conformité Européenne", and NOT to be confused with "China Export" !
Theoretically the electronics in DECT phones is so well filtered that you shouldn't need any filters when used along side broadband.
I don't have any problems with my SWMBO objecting to cables, she earned pocket money as a child making industrial cable harnesses on a bed of nails and using waxed cable lacing tape, so she really appreciates a good looking bunch of cables !
They should be compliant with "Conformité Européenne", and NOT to be confused with "China Export" !
Theoretically the electronics in DECT phones is so well filtered that you shouldn't need any filters when used along side broadband.
I don't have any problems with my SWMBO objecting to cables, she earned pocket money as a child making industrial cable harnesses on a bed of nails and using waxed cable lacing tape, so she really appreciates a good looking bunch of cables !