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Connection to Outbuilding

Paul_Bantams — Fri, 10 May 2024 09:54:57 GMT

Hi all, I have an outbuilding next to my house that I have recently put a desk in so I can work out here in peace away from the family.

However the wi-fi signal is very poor. I am about 10ft away from the router, but the buildings have thick walls.

I have tried using a wi-fi extender to no avail.

At present I am running a long network cable from the router, out of the window, across the drive, into the outbuilding and straight into the laptop. This is giving me a direct connection but is not ideal and I would like a more permanent solution.

I have logged a ticket to see if Plusnet can help with this, but am not hopeful and think I will need to do something myself. I don't mind doing DIY and getting my hands dirty.

What would be the best way to get good wi-fi connectivity to the outbuilding? (Considering the extender didn't work). I have a couple of wireless devices such as a HomePod and camera out here too. For example if I bought another router and configured it the same as my existing one, and ran a permanent cable and installed a network point in the outbuilding, would that work?

I am open to suggestions and thank everyone in anticipation for any help!

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

MisterW — Fri, 10 May 2024 10:05:35 GMT

You should run a permanent cable and install a Wireless Access point in the outbuilding. Configuring another router the same as the existing one will NOT work. You either need a dedicated Wireless AP or a router that can be configured in Wireless AP mode

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

Paul_Bantams — Fri, 10 May 2024 10:17:18 GMT

That sounds perfect, thank you!

So for the avoidance of doubt, if I run a cable from the back of my router, across the drive, into a wireless access point, I will then be able to connect my devices to this access point?

Will this access point have the same username/password as my main router?

Would there be any configuration to do or is it plug and play?

Thanks again, Paul

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

MisterW — Fri, 10 May 2024 10:45:37 GMT

So for the avoidance of doubt, if I run a cable from the back of my router, across the drive, into a wireless access point, I will then be able to connect my devices to this access point?

Yes. There's a pretty good article on Access points here https://homenetworkgeek.com/how-does-a-wireless-access-point-work/

Will this access point have the same username/password as my main router?

No, it will have its own login credentials to allow configuration.

In terms of wireless network name & password, you can configure it to either be the same as the main router or completely different.

Would there be any configuration to do or is it plug and play?

I'm afraid there will be some configuration

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

bmc — Fri, 10 May 2024 10:57:36 GMT

@Paul_Bantams

Is it possible to drill a hole through the wall for the ethernet cable, terminated in a wall socket?

Although it might cost a bit could you get the ethernet cable buried?

Same at the other end. Drill through for the cable and terminate with a wall socket. This gives a "neat" ethernet connection for you to play with.

Brian

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

Paul_Bantams — Fri, 10 May 2024 11:34:29 GMT

Thank you for your help @MisterW, much appreciated.

@bmc Burying the cable is an option when we get the drive relaid, but for now I am going to run a rubber cable protector on the drive temporarily, and run the cable on the exterior walls in conduit. I did consider ethernet cable straight into a wall socket, but I still need wi-fi out here for the camera and HomePod A wall socket at the house end though definitely.

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

bmc — Fri, 10 May 2024 11:54:08 GMT

@Paul_Bantams

Terminating the ethernet cable in a wall socker is no different than having it loose in the outbuilding. You can connect a WiFi access point or perhaps an ethernet switch to allow other devices a wired connection.

Brian

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

Champnet — Fri, 10 May 2024 12:02:05 GMT

Wall socket to small switch, Switch wired to camera, HomePod and WiFi access point….

@bmc Beat me to it.

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

bmc — Fri, 10 May 2024 12:57:16 GMT

@Paul_Bantams

To add to @Paul_Bantams you could also put the laptop on wired and just use the WiFi for any other devices like phones.

If you going to do the drive then it would probably be easier to wait until you get the cable buried before doing the terrmination wall socket.

Brian

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

dvorak — Fri, 10 May 2024 14:26:19 GMT

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Re: Connection to Outbuilding

MisterW — Fri, 10 May 2024 15:08:13 GMT

@Paul_Bantams there are two main reasons for using wallplates as opposed to a cable with RJ45 connectors

1) it looks neater.

2) its MUCH easier to terminate ethernet cable to a wallplate than to crimp an RJ45 connector. You just use a standard punch tool to attach the cable to the backplate and its much easier to get the cores (there's 8 ) in the correct order. You then just use off-the-shelf pre-made patch cables (which are cheap) to connect from the wallplates to the router and wireless AP.

Just make sure you get a cable tester, saves a lot of heartache. Theyre not expensive , something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tester-ARCELI-Network-Multi-Functional-Shield/dp/B0B465D9DQ

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

Paul_Bantams — Thu, 23 May 2024 16:41:47 GMT

Just wanted to say thank you for everyone's help. I will endeavour to post an update once I have this sorted. For now I am running a long cable from the house across the drive which I put away every night after work. That's OK for now, but looking forward to implementing a more permanent solution.

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

Marksfish — Thu, 13 Jun 2024 19:43:17 GMT

If you haven't already done it, I used the old NTL cable access hole on the house, to run some cat 6, bought a faceplate to plug into on the wall to then run a lead to the router. I then used some water pipe to protect the cable and clipped it to the exterior wall, buried a little bit in the garden and drilled a hole in the garage to put another faceplate on the wall inside.

I had a spare router and used this guide to configure it to an access point. Routers may vary, but the principle is the same. I now have full coverage in the garage/ man cave and also out in the conservatory.

Mark

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

G6JPG-0 — Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:17:08 GMT

If you going to do the drive then it would probably be easier to wait until you get the cable buried before doing the terrmination wall socket.

I'd say bury a pipe (with a couple of lengths of string in it), for future expandability, rather than just the one cable. I'd hope any competent drive contractor would know about - even suggest - such, when you ask for the cable to be buried.

Re: Connection to Outbuilding

markhawkin — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:31:17 GMT

@Paul_Bantams

I wouldn't generally suggest this, but to get Internet in my shed I use a pair of mains powerline adapters.

They are all a bit rubbish and a cable is a much better but I use a set to get Internet to my shed so I can rebuild computers etc. on the bench there. I get about 20Mb/s (don't believe the device speed claims).

Mine are old now but have a look at:

https://www.argos.co.uk/browse/technology/networking-and-wi-fi/powerline-adapters/c:30071/

If they don't work, you can gennerally take stuff back to Argos.