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Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:30:28 GMT

Hi guys

I've just bought a mini computer which naturally runs Windows 11 and have an existing Windows 10 computer I've got them both connected to the internet via homeplugs but they won't communicate with each other.

I've been trying to set Discovery up on each with no success.

The old Windows 10 machine was previously part of a home network but this doesn't seem an option on the latest Windows 11

Any help appreciated

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

thackie2015 — Thu, 16 Feb 2023 16:24:42 GMT

I have a similar set up and this is how I achieved "networking" . Likewise the Window 10 machine was part of a home network

Ensure both (all devices) are connected to the same network.

Windows 11 - Settings - Network & Internet

Network is set to private This gave a message "Your device is discoverable on the network. Select this if you need filesharing or use apps that communicate over this network

Windows 10 - Settings - Status - Network Status - Network Properties

Network is set to private This gave a message "Your device is discoverable on the network. .............

Restarted both devices Network icon shows in File Explore with individual devices showing when network icon clicked.

You may need to enter your network credentials in my case it is my computer log in details

Hope that helps

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:55:43 GMT

thanks for your assistance @thackie2015

I have had partial success, I've created a folder on my windows 10 machine which is accessible to the windows 11 machine and transferred a complete folder of documents which is useful but a long way from using my old machine as a file server?!

There is a option on both machines to connect with remote desktop connection but I have a password problem.

My problem I think stems from Microsoft's aggressive softwear marketing. I have been using Google to control my passwords but when loading Windows 11 again and again there was a prompt saying do you want to change to Microsoft?! so I think I have clicked the wrong box and have one machine set up using Google and one machine set up using Microsoft.

I am considering reconfiguring my new Windows 11 computer making sure I avoid Microsoft and using Google unless anybody has a more elegant solution?

Thanks in advance

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 11:34:53 GMT

Hi guys

I haven't moved on from my last post. I think I am missing something?

I can access my old computer using the double backslash \\ and computer name but there is a limited number of directories and folders I can set up?

I can get access to such as "users" but when I try to give permission to \c it appears in network but I get a popup saying windows cannot access (computer name)\c ?

any insights?

thanks in advance

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

thackie2015 — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 14:54:09 GMT

Hi,

Not sure if this will help but on the basis of sharing experience:

Starting from the Win 11 device I use File Explorer this shows Home - This PC -Disk D, Disk E, Network <nameofdevicewin10> <then lists folders>

I guess from what you say you are not seeing that kind of structure ? I assume both machines are on the same network. Again assume you must have access to the "other device" as you have created (?) folders.

So thoughts can you check the properties - security settings for the folders you wish to access. the security tab should have list of users and below the access rights granted to that user. On our network the win10 machine has a user (in the security tab) HomeUsers (the old home work group users) this is set to full access. All folders so set appear in File Explorer as described above.

Thackie

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

thackie2015 — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 15:23:45 GMT

This link may help as it seems to cover most scenarios

https://www.minitool.com/news/windows-11-workgroup-not-showing-all-network-computers.html

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 16:22:49 GMT

Hi All

my success to date is that I have got my Documents folder on my (old) Windows 10 machine accessible from my (new) Windows 11 Machine by attending to my sharing permissions on the old machine.

My problem is now that I have three folders named documents in my fileserver on my new machine and right click doesn't give me the option of renaming them which I would expect. Dragging and dropping gives unpredictable results. if I drag the link to my old machine to a new location it proceeds to copy all the files to my new machine which is not what I want. If I drag and drop a folder located on my new machine it creates a shortcut.

All I want to do Is rename the document folders and locate them in a logical format for the rest of the family!?

I never did resolve why the C: folder couldn't be shared?

Thanks in advance

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 16:34:52 GMT

And I forgot to mention the new machine is using Wi-Fi and the old machine Ethernet over powerline adaptors. I tried using powerline adaptors on the new machine but it was slower on the internet and didn't seem to facilitate filesharing?

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

198kHz — Tue, 07 Mar 2023 14:40:07 GMT

I can empathise with this - after two decades of never quite managing to successfully network two machines of various Windows versions.

Having recently acquired a new Win 11 laptop, I thought I'd try linking it to my Win 10 desktop, and luckily stumbled upon this very clear step by step guide . Much to my amazement - it worked! 😃 Well, eventually.

It didn't seem to like trying a whole drive, or even a User account, but adding the Desktop, Downloads, Documents, Pictures, Music and Videos folders individually worked fine.

This was with Wi-Fi on both machines. I don't know enough to be certain, but as it's all being done via the router, I would think it makes no difference whether you're using Wi-Fi, Ethernet, homeplugs, or a mixture.

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

Empire — Tue, 07 Mar 2023 15:59:25 GMT

Hi Peter, new machine is using Wi-Fi and the old machine Ethernet over powerline adaptors

that should not really matter,

i would set the network cards and wireless adaptors all to a Private network.

In Windows 10 & 11 open powershell as administrator.

enter 1st (this simply lists your devices and tells you if private or public network etc )

1. Get-NetConnectionProfile

2. set-NetConnectionProfile -InterfaceIndex <index number> -NetworkCategory Private

replace in the 2. command above <index number> with your device no and enter it.

it just changes the network device from Public to Private, if already Private dont enter command 2.

Regards Empire

PS should will make both W10 & W11 PC see each other.

if that fails you could remote desktop from either PC

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:16:14 GMT

Hi Gang

I have had a major success IMHO.

Going back to #3 in this thread, I have a bad attitude to Microsoft so I went the Google route to solving my issues.

So I have loaded Chrome Remote Desktop https://remotedesktop.google.com/ rather than the Microsoft version and it works! and am now able to access my Windows 10 machine desktop on my Windows 11 machine. I have also added an Icon on my Windows 11 Desktop to open up Chrome Remote Desktop webpage for my family.

It's still all a bit clunky so I would appreciate advice on improvements

Thanks

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:23:34 GMT

This is my new Machine Win 10 on the left and windows 11 on the right

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

Dan_the_Van — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:51:20 GMT

@PeterLoftus

It's still all a bit clunky so I would appreciate advice on improvements

From what I can see a chrome remote desktop session goes via the internet (google cloud servers) between your PC's rather than directly across your LAN, this may explain 'bit clunky'

Dan.

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

thackie2015 — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:01:25 GMT

I agree Google Remote .. is a cloud service.

An alternative would be to use Google Drive which me & mine have found to be quite acceptable to achieve a simialr access/sharing solution

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:27:03 GMT

Hi @Dan_the_Van

My issue is not speed there is no apparent delay!

The Clunky comment was intended to convey the lack the operation being intuitive or ergonomic!

Regards

Peter

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

Dan_the_Van — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:34:37 GMT

I suppose it depends on what your used to using, I've used far worse remote access applications.

Dan.

Re: Windows 11 Windows 10 networking

PeterLoftus — Sat, 13 May 2023 08:28:10 GMT

Update on my new arrangement

I recently had two weeks away from home in Scotland and I was able to access my home computer using the Google Remote Desktop.

I used this to update a Website I run.

This is an unplanned consequence but quiet useful!

Peter