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Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

dino — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:25:21 GMT

http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/index.html......are PLUSNET affiliated or connected do we know?
jim:red All caps in title changed as per forum rules mod:end

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

mal0z — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:33:41 GMT

Not shown on their partners site
http://www.digitalregion.co.uk/partners.html

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dgp — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:54:41 GMT

Digital Region availability to end-users starts in the New Year, so hopefully we might get to know the ISPs that will be using the service shortly. Theoretically my postcode goes live in December 2011. I know its two years off, but given Plusnet Towers is about five miles cable distance from the BT box that sits in the road outside my house (and where I assume the new Digital Region box will be installed) and I've always been happy with the service I hope Plusnet is one of the ISPs that signs up.

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dino — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:34:47 GMT

That's why I'm so interested - my areas go live date is July 10...not long at all. I am on the whole a very satisfied PlusNet customer and have been for several years but don't want to be 'left behind' in the speed stakes.
Any official comments from PlusNet please?

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orbrey — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:51:32 GMT

Hi dino,
I've not heard this being discussed anywhere so suspect we've no plans to take part at the moment. I'll ask about for you to be sure though.

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

paulatkinson — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:47:53 GMT

Hi Matt,
Have you manage to get any update if plus.net with be using the South Yorkshire Digital network?
Our cabinet is due to be upgraded September 2010, i bet we get this before our exchange is upgraded to adsl2+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

dgp — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:45:47 GMT

Also like an update please.

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

Mark — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:34:11 GMT

The Digital South Yorkshire network has been implemented by a company called Thales who run that particular network. We provide products and services operated and sold by BT Wholesale. I am not currently aware of any ISP selling the Thales product, but we certainly have no plans to do so. BT have their own fibre products, currently being trialled by us, and I would imagine that as these products will eventually cover a far greater number of people across the UK, its not likely that we'll sell services belonging to another network operator.

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mal0z — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:19:48 GMT

That's interesting, thanks Mark.
Thales used to run Network Rails extensive telecommunications network, but that might have changed in the last year. I've read one unsubstantiated report that Netwrok Rail took the business back in House - i.e state owned again.
That in turn used to be run by Racal Telecom ( who started Vodafone ) and Racal took over British Rail Telecom at Rail Privatisation.
British Railways telecom network was probably the biggest apart from PO/BT
But Thales are still very active with the rail business amongst others - their fibre may well still use Network Rail ducting
http://www.thalesgroup.co.uk/Portfolio/Defence/LandJoint_Products_Telecom_Infrastructure/?pid=1568

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

paulatkinson — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:03:18 GMT

Hi Mark
Will BT openreach fit their own FTTC equipment at the side of Thales equipment ?
If this is not the case, then a big part of South Yorkshire will not be able to get FTTC through plus.net!

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paulatkinson — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:11:57 GMT

Is it so hard to answer a simple question?
Its only been sitting there two days

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mal0z — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:06:25 GMT

Didn't Mark Kelly effectively answer the question ?
My reading of Marks remarks is that no, PN use the BT network, and PN use that. They don't use the Thale network.

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paulatkinson — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:55:51 GMT

Hi Mal
I understand Plus.net will not use Thales network
But will BT openreach fit their own equipment at the side of Thales FTTC, that is what i was asking
OR
are we left without FTTC with Plus.net?

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MauriceC — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:42:19 GMT

I would very much doubt that BT would elect to piggy back on the Thales network? BT already have their own plans for FTTC in trial at various locations and a fairly aggressive roll-out planned for the next few years.
Hard to see a solid business case for corporate BT to cover just one area with a different solution.
It may happen - but I wouldn't take a bet on it.
Maurice

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mal0z — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:24:01 GMT

Well - who is going to use the Thale network - I mean which ISP. Times change - and no doubt PN factors in a certain percentage of churn in the business model.
Now PN is part of BT - their hand is tied to a degree I expect.

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

paulatkinson — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:25:31 GMT

Well the person who does use use the Thales network is going to be happy with a guaranteed 25Mb and above download speed

No slow downs due to BT openreach congested network

Its just a shame Plus.net arent independent anymore, like they were in 2002 when i joined but things have to move on.

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

mal0z — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:40:40 GMT

Just because your local loop to the exchange is 25MB, doesn;t mean you download speed from the internet will be the same. The ISP will need to connect to one of the major telecom networks, either BT, or someone else.

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paulatkinson — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:52:35 GMT

I agree but i dont think they would spend 90million on the network only to have a dial up gateway to the internet
But the orange fibre optic cable did look expensive when it was layed

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walkerx — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:29:08 GMT

I know this hasn't been updated for a while but as previously mentioned that PN won't be using the digitalregion network (they still haven't got any isp signed up) there shouldn't be any reason for them not to use the bt fibre connections when they come online.
Remember digitalregion network can only become active once BT activate the local exchange for ADSL2+. BT will not be installing new cabinets as they will use their current ones as many are already fibred. The DR network will place a cabinet nearby and link this to the BT network, so in theory they are using BT for a lot of the backbone.
If I remember correctly I'm sure plusnet became part of the BT corporation so it would be in their best interests to probably stay with BT.
If you want to know if you are going to be getting ADSL2+ in the near future and what speeds you could obtain then it is best to check http://www.bt.com/infinity
And as BT are opening their fibre channels to other ISP's then you may see Plusnet using the fibre connection.
regards
Walkerx

Re: Any Info On This Super Fast Product For South Yorks

matt_2k34 — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:51:07 GMT

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Its just a shame Plus.net arent independent anymore

The owner has changed. The brand, and how the company runs is the same.
BT has no real 'force' to which network PN uses. its just sensible for PN to stick with BT - it offers national coverage - and a competative price.

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But will BT openreach fit their own equipment at the side of Thales FTTC

BT is upgrading the 'green cabinets' to FTTC - the infrastructure is there, its just being upgraded.