topic Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10 in Plusnet Feedback

FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 06:44:40 GMT

it is widely thought that plusnet changed their base FTTC package to 40/2 to match and compete with Talk Talk (who also supplied 40/2).

however it appears that Talk Talk have now changed theirs to 40/10.

so will plusnet now use the common sense approach and start offering 40/10?

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

rongtw — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:15:50 GMT

yes this has been mentioned numerous times , the drop in upload speed just to be like Talk Talk

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:19:54 GMT

except they are not like talk talk any more, as talk talk have changed it to 40/10

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

MisterW — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:23:20 GMT

so will plusnet now use the common sense approach and start offering 40/10?

or go one better and offer 55/10 ?

Oh! no, that would make us too similar to BT , we can't do that...

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:35:03 GMT

most would probably be happy with 40/10.
and it was July 15th that talk talk gave everyone a free upgrade to 10Mbps upstream.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

JonoH — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:04:59 GMT

For commercial reasons we will not discuss future product offerings or changes to existing offerings, however Plusnet are always reviewing their product range against our customers’ needs and the competition in the market place.

As always any updates and changes to our packages will be communicated to our customers when we the details are finalised.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:08:31 GMT

@JonoH wrote:

however Plusnet are always reviewing their product range against our customers’ needs

i would dispute that strongly (as would others i would say)

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

Townman — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:18:20 GMT

Review does not always mean we are going to get things the way we want them to be.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:20:04 GMT

this is true.
customer needs can (and are) often ignored.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

Pete11 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:22:18 GMT

I for one would love 40/10, just my 2p's worth.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

Oldjim — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:52:44 GMT

me too as I now only get 51/7 with a 3dB noise margin due to cross talk but the price difference would need to make it worth it

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:07:20 GMT

there's zero chance in me taking 40/2, so i would either need to leave plusnet or take 80/20.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

rongtw — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:06:54 GMT

to me in present times , i would say 2 upload is poor if you look how many posts about it

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

legume — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 22:30:23 GMT

Hmm, didn't ofcom tell openreach to make 40/10 cheaper than 40/2 ... Maybe there is hope 🙂

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

jordanc1230 — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 05:00:26 GMT

40/10 package is currently £88.80 per year. Ofcom propose to lower the price to £66.28 for 2018/2019, £57.00 for 2019/2020 & £52.77 for 2020/2021. Looking at price list 40/2 is £82.80 per year so it's currently only £6 cheaper than 40/10. Under proposed price change 40/10 is the only product which will have it's price reduced so it would make sense for providers to move from 40/2 to 40/10 as the price difference will be much bigger.

Plusnet are now the only one of the main providers left offering a 2mbps upload speed on their cheapest fibre package. BT, SKY, TalkTalk, EE, Vodafone & Origin Broadband all now offer 10mbps upload on their cheapest fibre packages, think it's time Plusnet caught up.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

legume — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:44:30 GMT

Do you know how much BT Wholesale charge ISPs per customer for the various speed products?

I guess that's what affects Plusnet more than OR pricing. Maybe they (BTW) will drag their feet or hide the OR reductions somewhat. Pure speculations of course 🙂

Seems you need to register to access BTW price lists - I didn't try.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

ejs — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:55:42 GMT

The BTWholesale WBC price spreadsheet is still publicly available (publishing the prices is/was an Ofcom requirement), the prices for the FTTC speed variants have always been £13, £14, £15 and £16 per month ex. VAT for 40/2, 40/10, 55/10 and 80/20 respectively. We'll have to assume that the WBMC prices are the same as WBC for that type of per-user cost.

I thought the Ofcom proposal for 40/10 was to give it a similar monthly rental cost as ADSL, so it wouldn't only be 40/2 that it would make obsolete, apart from the back-haul costs of course (bandwidth at £40+ per 1Mbit/s per month).

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

legume — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:00:54 GMT

Ahh, thanks for the info.

So only a pound per month as it is, 40/2 really should disappear already.

20:1 asymmetry is horrible to inflict on people.

As for the the BTW interconnect costs - I thought they were symmetrical, though maybe things have changed, but if they are then 2 to 10 up isn't really going to hurt that part of the network.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

Townman — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:59:04 GMT

@legume wrote:

20:1 asymmetry is horrible to inflict on people.

Do not see how you come to that conclusion - for the majority of users the predominant requirement is download. If DS/US were symmetric then the DS would be much lower than what we see presently.

Re: FTTC 40/2 - talk talk now offer 40/10

chenks76 — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:09:13 GMT

upstream has become far more important in the last couple of years, with the boom in cloud services.