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    <title>topic Re: safeguard  in Plusnet Feedback</title>
    <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209564#M58652</link>
    <description>W23,&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks for the kind way of putting things. &amp;nbsp;In my background being precise has always been important to avoid ambiguity or creating wrong (unachievable) expectations. &amp;nbsp;May be there is a need to try to be more generic on the forums? &amp;nbsp;Where my mind was at on this matter is it is not simply a matter of having restrictive settings, but having them implemented in a way which cannot be changed. &amp;nbsp;Things can be locked down, but still be capable of being readily unlocked, hence the thought of being inhibited of being reconfigured.&lt;BR /&gt;For me there is a difference between simply being locked down to prevent accidental undesirable activity and configured so as to prevent circumvention of such lock downs. &amp;nbsp;If parents want real reassurance, they need to do much more than is being offered here: the protection needs to be on the device used by the child, not in their home network, be that their router or their ISPs network. &amp;nbsp;For as soon as the device is moved out of that environment - a friend's home, public wifi or plain 3G - the exposure to the perceived risk returns unabated.&lt;BR /&gt;It is for those reasons I have constantly suggested that ISP safe guards are no safe guard to the perceived problems. &amp;nbsp;For parents to believe otherwise is not a sound expectation. &amp;nbsp;Unfortunately in dumbing everything down - simple hassle free internet connectivity - devices do not have the facilities to deliver the desired controls. &amp;nbsp;The right answer is properly configured device based firewalls. &amp;nbsp;Unfortunately configuring those properly requires skill - a level of skill I'll confess to not having at an adequate level.&lt;BR /&gt;The only other way that such protection could be universally implemented 'out there' would be for all Internet access (from wherever, provided by whoever) to be completely locked down so that the restrictions are applied by blocking at IP address level. &amp;nbsp;That would negate DNS circumvention or proxy tactics to get around the restrictions. &amp;nbsp;In short someone out there would need to decide what we all can and cannot access.&lt;BR /&gt;Reading between the lines of Chris' post, safeguard is being delivered using BT's "safe" DNS servers. &amp;nbsp;If the address you ask for is deemed to be "bad" the IP address is not returned. &amp;nbsp;If you know the IP address you can still reach the content. &amp;nbsp;If you change the DNS server the protection is lost. &amp;nbsp;The method of implementation sets the restriction at a household level - even parents will be restricted to what they set as suitable for the youngest member of the household, but only when accessing from within the household.&lt;BR /&gt;For what it's worth, I'd be very happy to learn that my concerns are wrong and that the implementation is actually far better than I fear.</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2015 10:14:01 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Townman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-05-19T10:14:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209500#M58588</link>
      <description>Ive just noticed safeguard in my account with plusnet, looks pretty usefull anyone got it enabled yet ? My router currently blocks harmful websites too.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:43:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209500#M58588</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T09:43:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209501#M58589</link>
      <description>I have moved it to here as it is possible that you have spotted the first stage in Child Protection as practised by some other ISP's</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:46:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209501#M58589</guid>
      <dc:creator>Oldjim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T09:46:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209502#M58590</link>
      <description>ok jimbo &lt;img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/@104CD63F9302A50EF5EC70FE32BB8AA1/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /&gt; btw are you using it ?&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:47:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209502#M58590</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T09:47:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209503#M58591</link>
      <description>first I have heard of it - hence making it more prominent &lt;BR /&gt;just checked and it is here &lt;A href="https://portal.plus.net/my.html" target="_blank"&gt;https://portal.plus.net/my.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;details here &lt;A href="https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/" target="_blank"&gt;https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:55:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209503#M58591</guid>
      <dc:creator>Oldjim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T09:55:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209504#M58592</link>
      <description>i just had a look at this on PN site as i was intrigued its turned on Via the web page , basically you have to Opt in to be able to watch adult pages , surely it is personal view to be able to block this rater than have PN decide for you ?&lt;img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/@3681646702FDFD32BCA97E2E5F1BDDD5/images/emoticons/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;11. Are any categories blocked by default?&lt;BR /&gt;Yes, Plusnet SafeGuard blocks access to Pornography, Hate &amp;amp; Intolerance and Tasteless websites by default. However, you can change these at any time. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/" target="_blank"&gt;https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:56:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209504#M58592</guid>
      <dc:creator>rongtw</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T09:56:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209505#M58593</link>
      <description>Safeguard is turned 'off' on your account, so you have to make the choice to turn it on and at that point you can choose which types of sites and content are blocked.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:00:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209505#M58593</guid>
      <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:00:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209506#M58594</link>
      <description>the ones which are blocked by default are listed under Block Categories but can be unblocked &lt;BR /&gt;This is a good one &lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;Quote&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;Tasteless - Blocked&lt;BR /&gt;Websites that are offensive or tasteless (e.g. toilet humour), including gruesome or frightening content (e.g. blood or wounds, or cruel animal treatment).&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If I should enable it this is one I would unblock</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:02:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209506#M58594</guid>
      <dc:creator>Oldjim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:02:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209507#M58595</link>
      <description>Theres a few things on it that suprise me like Gaming ? Why would gaming be on there to be blocked :S</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:03:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209507#M58595</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:03:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209508#M58596</link>
      <description>There should be NOTHING !! blocked by default .&lt;BR /&gt;it is up to each person to decide , NOT for PN to make choices for their customers</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:35:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209508#M58596</guid>
      <dc:creator>rongtw</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:35:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209509#M58597</link>
      <description>For goodness sake&lt;BR /&gt;The whole thing isn't active UNLESS the customer activates it and then they need to decide what the want blocking or unblocking</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:39:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209509#M58597</guid>
      <dc:creator>Oldjim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:39:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209510#M58598</link>
      <description>Exactly, 'Safeguard' is OFF by default, therefore (as you prefer) NOTHING&lt;I&gt; is&lt;/I&gt; blocked by default.&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:41:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209510#M58598</guid>
      <dc:creator>w23</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:41:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209511#M58599</link>
      <description>yer you got to enable it lol ... but the fact its on the list is shocking ...</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:41:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209511#M58599</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:41:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209512#M58600</link>
      <description>you mean gaming - I can understand that if you want to block young children doing it</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:44:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209512#M58600</guid>
      <dc:creator>Oldjim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:44:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209513#M58601</link>
      <description>Well at least it's opt-in rather than opt-out. That's all I can really say on it.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:47:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209513#M58601</guid>
      <dc:creator>southerner</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:47:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209514#M58602</link>
      <description>Its not a bad idea i just didnt expect to see a tab to block gaming, but i guess its maybe usefull for parents who are struggling to keep their kids off playing computer games when they should be focusing on exams n stuff.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:49:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209514#M58602</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:49:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209515#M58603</link>
      <description>It's also the same with new customers. It's an option upon signup, but you specifically have to opt in to have it enabled. Phone signups would require new customers to do it over the member centre.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:52:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209515#M58603</guid>
      <dc:creator>MattyC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:52:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209516#M58604</link>
      <description>Oops...&lt;BR /&gt;Running Waterfox 36.0.1 and viewing the Safeguard page &lt;A href="https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/inactive" target="_blank"&gt;https://portal.plus.net/my-account/safeguard/inactive&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The first attached image shows the top right corner ok.&lt;BR /&gt;Then Live Chat pops up and the result is the second attached image.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:53:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209516#M58604</guid>
      <dc:creator>Strat</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T10:53:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209517#M58605</link>
      <description>Ive enabled some of mine and some not &lt;img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/@104CD63F9302A50EF5EC70FE32BB8AA1/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /&gt; Ill see how it goes if im not able to access sites which i feel dont need to be blocked then ill just disbale the whole thing.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:28:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209517#M58605</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T14:28:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209518#M58606</link>
      <description>@St3&lt;BR /&gt;Are you ok to PM me any feedback you have?</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:18:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209518#M58606</guid>
      <dc:creator>MattyC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T15:18:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: safeguard</title>
      <link>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209519#M58607</link>
      <description>yes sure &lt;img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/@104CD63F9302A50EF5EC70FE32BB8AA1/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:45:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.plus.net/t5/Plusnet-Feedback/safeguard/m-p/1209519#M58607</guid>
      <dc:creator>St3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-03-27T15:45:46Z</dc:date>
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