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joint Plusnet - an incompetent service managed by nasty incompetent people

timpurcell — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:44:49 GMT

Aaarrgh. The pain of moving home. As a determined BT refusenik because of...well...where do you start...I've been using O2 home phone and broadband services until they made a complete hash of sorting out my move. They were, however, very apologetic about it but the bottom line was...can you actually do this and it didn't seem they could. So time for a change...out with the pin into the list and I went for Plusnet. OMG!! What a bad idea. This company is utterly incompetent, has not the first idea of customer service, are grasping bastards when it comes to money, will not admit when they have got things wrong, supply substandard hardware, lie to customers about their services in the name of hard sell and cannot process the simplest request effectively, courteously or in a timely manner. Worse they are exploitative and in complete denial about the manifest failings in their customer services function. I shall be requesting a MAC code as soon as I (finally) get a broadband line next week. Dear Plusnet service users. Get out and run for the hills. This company is the pits.

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Wheel_nut — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:01:23 GMT

Nowhere in your tirade have you told us specifically what problem(s) you have encountered with PlusNet.
You seem to have the same poor opinion of your previous ISPs BT and O2 so is there a common factor to your issues? Could it be that you ar a long way from your exchange? .... or that you have a poor Line .... or House wiring problems or some other problem common to all three relationships.
If you are not seeking assistance but simply wanting to vent you spleen then I think you have achieved that.

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timpurcell — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:16:44 GMT

OK problems with Plus Net's service. The company cannot place an order and process if effectively, Its staff do not understand telecommunications and are often rude, arrogant and offensive. It's customer services function has not been designed to deal with people who have customer services issues. It cannot deal with complaints because it does not have a procedure which is fit for purpose. Its relationship with BT means that it is not possible for it to carry out a good proportion of its services in a fair way because BT simply can't conduct its services in a reasonable manner. And...worse....it's a rip off merchant of the highest order much like its parent.

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3dognight — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:29:25 GMT

Tim - totally agree with you. Had an almost identical experience. BT is their parent company as you point out and the UK call centres defer to a supervisory centre in India which they can't get hold of by phone. I became exasperated with the broadband issues which Plusnet were just not up to sorting (technically or customer service). I phoned Virgin and got broadband within 24 hours. Plusnet couldn't do this in over a month. Useless. The MD Jamie Ford washes complaints down to James Bailey who's head of customer distress. He did his utmost to be over-defensive with unreliable and constantly changing information. This customer got more distressed.

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AlaricAdair — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 04:32:48 GMT

OK, so lot's of noise, but tell us what went wrong?

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matt_2k34 — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:41:56 GMT

2 users join within half an hour of each other, and only post in each others threads. I smell conspiracy
*prod* PN staff, looking at the accounts assigned to each user - any enlightenment (even if its just they've left the company as customers ::))
Regards

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lexusuk — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:53:00 GMT

Quote from: timpurcell
It cannot deal with complaints because it does not have a procedure which is fit for purpose.

This is not correct. We have a clear proceedure when it comes to complaints. For full details see our Code of Practice here:
http://www.plus.net/support/service/policies/complaints_code_of_practice.shtml
@timpurcell and @3dognight
I'm happy to look in to the issues on your accounts to see if I can help if you would like me to do so?

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3dognight — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:45:34 GMT

"2 users join within half an hour of each other, and only post in each others threads. I smell conspiracy"
And I smell a growing discontented customer base. We just happen to agree that Plusnet are poor service and customer providers - in simple terms. Surely these forums are open to receive complaint as well as praise or are employees masquerading with childish anti-complaint posts? These 2 particular users have valid, legitimate and independent complaints and have both received a very rough customer service experience. I'm absolutely sure we are not the only 2 people in the world to suffer bad service all round from Plusnet.
Plusnet makes trading promises which, in my case, have been breached (I'm not going to repeat the saga it's already posted). Plusnet - evidenced by its tv advertising campaign - want to grow, and dissatisfied customers are key to improving the clearly broken business model. So, in effect complaints should help Plusnet get it right and therefore promote business growth. Unfortunately Plusnet are defensive, seemingly most staff are unskilled and there is generally very poor understanding and mis-communication in my opinion. And that's not good customer service - honesty, ability, resolution and quality are indicators missing from this user's experience.
Running my own business I know about customer service and not once, not even for a moment, would I dream of treating my customers like Plusnet do. They clearly don't need customers or growth...

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3dognight — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:50:12 GMT

Quote from: Matt_2k34
2 users join within half an hour of each other, and only post in each others threads. I smell conspiracy
*prod* PN staff, looking at the accounts assigned to each user - any enlightenment (even if its just they've left the company as customers ::))
Regards

Oh and by the way I'm (unfortunately) still a phone customer but I ditched the broadband because no one could resolve the issues in anything like a clear timeframe - and working from home most of the time I can't afford to wait 2 weeks or so for them to try to resolve the many (and conflicting) issues we were told it was causing the problems.
Are you 14?

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lexusuk — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:18:45 GMT

@3dognight
I've reviewed your account and also discussed what happened once the issue reached our CEO and complaints team in the hope that we can learn from this.
It appears that there was an issue with your initial order which caused a delay. Following your email to Jamie your case was passed to the head of the complaints team. The delayed order was then escalated to the highest level with BT at director level. This set the wheels in motion to expedite the order but during the progression of the escalation you advised us that you would like to cancel the order with us and seek broadband services elsewhere.
From what you've said in your previous posts it appears the issue here was the timeframe involved in providing your service. Sadly it appears in this case there was nothing further we could have done to reduce the lead time of your order.

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orbrey — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:35:33 GMT

@timpurcell
It looks like the problems started with the simultaneous provide, I apologise that this didn't happen and for the delay in providing the broadband that has followed.
I'm not sure though what it is that's wrong with the router? It's described during the signup process which is when you ordered it, though if you're not happy and the router hasn't been opened then we will happily refund the cost in full (or remove the deferred hardware contract and associated fees from the account) on its return.
With regard to the refunds you've requested, you aren't charged for the service until it goes live so there isn't anything that could be refunded due to the missed simultaneous provide order I'm afraid.
I'm likewise sorry if our staff didn't meet your expectations but it's not clear from the records on your account what is substandard about the phone service that's been provided nor what it is you expect them to know about telecommunications? If you'd like to advise I'd be happy to make sure these issues are addressed and training is given where necessary.
So to summarise, if you could elaborate on the areas in which we've let you down we'd be happy to investigate however at present I'm afraid we haven't got much information to go on.

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timpurcell — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:43:00 GMT

right the issues at the time of writing and they are very long and very lengthy. The company sent a BT engineer yesterday who turned up at short notice despite the promised two hour window. He was very nearly not able to do the work required because he required access to parts of the building I didn't even know existed. This wasn't explained to me beforehand.
When the service was set up there was no broadband as promised. This is arriving - apparently - next Wednesday and this can't be moved forward. The company has sent me a router which was not the one promised and is refusing to accept it back again. It's also ancient in technology terms.
It does not have a complaints procedure. It has a fobbing off and lying process masquerading as one. I refuse to use it after trying it yesterday afternoon barely one hour after the home phone service went live.
The add on services to the home phone service seem not to be working. Some idiot from the company has just called me to ask which ones are not working, Doh! How am I supposed to know? There is no indication of when this is going to be addressed as yet. He put the phone down on me in mid call.
The company is taking payments from me for services it has not yet delivered and for substandard equipment.
It is refusing to compensate me.
It's customer services staff are often rude and unpleasant. I've been dealing with this "service" for less than 24 hours and heading rapidly for the exits by the looks of it. PlusNet you are horrible!

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James — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:49:35 GMT

Tim,
You haven't used the complaints procedure.
I have staff answering tickets and letters which have been raised via our formal (and Ofcom approved) complaints procedure which can be found here:
http://www.plus.net/support/service/policies/complaints_code_of_practice.shtml
If you refuse to use it, this is obviously your decision, however my team would be more than happy to help you should you elect to do so.

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timpurcell — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:03:20 GMT

No I won't use it. I don't see why I should. I've told you what's wrong on here, over the phone, on Twitter and everywhere else I can think of. I'm not playing ball with your ridiculous systems because they're rubbish. Just sort it out please. It's not a lot to ask. At the moment each contact I get from you is making a bad situation worse and I'm sick to death of you.

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orbrey — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:08:09 GMT

Quote from: timpurcell
right the issues at the time of writing and they are very long and very lengthy. The company sent a BT engineer yesterday who turned up at short notice despite the promised two hour window. He was very nearly not able to do the work required because he required access to parts of the building I didn't even know existed. This wasn't explained to me beforehand.

That sounds like it may be a block of flats, or similar? It's not always the case but sometimes the lines in are gathered in a sort of 'mini exchange' somewhere in the flats, though likewise this isn't something we're aware of prior to the engineer's visit.

Quote from: timpurcell
When the service was set up there was no broadband as promised. This is arriving - apparently - next Wednesday and this can't be moved forward. The company has sent me a router which was not the one promised and is refusing to accept it back again. It's also ancient in technology terms.

I'm afraid there's no detail on the account of any hardware other than that ordered during the signup process, which is the Thomson TG585v8 (I believe this is the same router used on O2's service, who were your previous provider?) - I assure you it's the most recent version of this router that Thomson offer and is suitable for both ADSL and ADSL2 connections. If something different was promised at any time (or you didn't receive the 585v8) please advise and we'll investigate for you.

Quote from: timpurcell
It does not have a complaints procedure. It has a fobbing off and lying process masquerading as one. I refuse to use it after trying it yesterday afternoon barely one hour after the home phone service went live.

It looks like James has already addressed this so I'll leave this one.

Quote from: timpurcell
The add on services to the home phone service seem not to be working. Some idiot from the company has just called me to ask which ones are not working, Doh! How am I supposed to know? There is no indication of when this is going to be addressed as yet. He put the phone down on me in mid call.

I'm afraid all we can go on is the order records we have from our supplier, which will state that the orders are complete and the add-ons provided. If they're not working unfortunately we rely on our customers to report this in order that we can investigate, and as I said there aren't any specifics about which are working and which aren't on your account - this is what the agent was calling to find out, though I sincerely apologise that he hung up on you mid call. I've listened to this call with his line manager and can assure you this has been addressed.

Quote from: timpurcell
The company is taking payments from me for services it has not yet delivered and for substandard equipment.
It is refusing to compensate me.

As I've said above, if you could advise specifically what's wrong with the hardware and what's not working with the services you've ordered we'll happily investigate however without this information we're not able to progress any investigation.

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timpurcell — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:33:57 GMT

What on earth am I supposed to do to get this madness sorted out. My English is comprehensible I think. However here we have someone who apparently can't read it!! Here we go again...and if I get asked to explain this all over again once more I'm afraid I won't be responsible for the consequences. I'm already livid.
It isn't rocket science to work out that it would have been helpful if it had been explained to me that someone who lives at an address with Flat 4 in it might need to get access to other parts of the building and what they were. But no....
The booking arrangements didn't work. Consequently in view of the short notice I had to drop everything and leave the building where I work and jump in a taxi!
The router is the one O2 used to use. They now use the more recently manufactured one which is much better. Why don't you and why won't you take it back. Of course I've taken it out of the packet - I needed to see what you've sent me. Does that mean that you won't accept it back?
I find it incredible that I have to tell you what is wrong with my home phone service. Here's a clue. IT"S NOT WORKING PROPERLY. I can't tell which add on services which should be working are and which aren't because you haven't told me how to access them. However the anonymous call block most certainly isn't (I've tested it) and it's probably therefore safe to assume that there is something wrong with the rest of them. Is that clear. How else would you like me to explain it. Send smoke signals? Do a little dance? SCREAM VERY VERY LOUDLY?
Where's my broadband. I don't have any and I'd like some please. You won't give it to me when you said you would. Is that clear?
You are taking payment for home phone services I haven't got and broadband services I don't have. Is that clear? Please don't!
Now compensation. I'd like some. A lot actually. Please arrange. Is that clear enough? Thank you.
jim:quote

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orbrey — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:32:41 GMT

Hi there,
I've ordered a returns bag for the router, that should be with you before the weekend. As soon as it's returned we'll remove the deferred hardware contract - I can see the delivery charge has been refunded already.
With regard to the call features and the charging, I've removed those costs from the outstanding payment requests as per your most recent ticket, I've added another ticket to the account with details of what's been removed there. I can confirm though that there are no charges for the broadband service as yet. This should be going live on Wednesday, as per the information showing on your account and the charge for such will be issued on the same day. You can find details on how to use the various features at http://www.plus.net/support/phone/call_features.shtml
With regard to compensation I'm afraid this isn't something we can arrange via the forum and will need to be raised to our complaints team as per the process linked to above.

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timpurcell — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:41:45 GMT

Well this is one tiny step forward and about six backwards. What about all the other issues and why did they happen? You've dealt with less than half of them. And I will not deal with the complaints team. We're still heading for me requesting a Mac Code because the situation is getting worse, not better by the hour. I will continue to fight you on a daily basis until you start behaving in a fair and responsible manner and I will make sure that as many people as possible know about it too. This is still completely unacceptable as a response and I'm simply not having it.

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orbrey — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:55:04 GMT

Quote from: timpurcell
What about all the other issues and why did they happen? You've dealt with less than half of them.

I've addressed the router, the overcharging and the phone add-on components for you - if there's anything else that isn't working with the phone service please advise and I'll happily investigate. The services requested should be active and working tomorrow and the instructions on how they work can be found at http://www.plus.net/suppo...phone/call_features.shtml
With regard to the appointment, I apologise if you weren't called as requested - the information was added to the engineer notes, unfortunately as they're sent from our supplier there's not much beyond that that we can do.

Quote from: timpurcell
And I will not deal with the complaints team.

I'm afraid there isn't anyone else here who can address the issue of compensation, sorry about that.

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timpurcell — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:27:36 GMT

Errr...the broadband???? All of the other problems? Don't those count too?