topic Re: Loss of Ethernet in My Router

Loss of Ethernet

samd — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:55:00 GMT

I use a couple of tp-link AV1300 Powerline Adapters solely for ethernet connection for my AV setup. A few days ago I suffered a complete loss of that connection and have tried factory resets on both devices numerous times to no avail. I happened to have spare devices and these also failed to work. I know my ethernet output from Hub two is fine as I have a wired connection to my nearby den. Any ideas please?

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Baldrick1 — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:04:33 GMT

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Thread moved from Full Fibre to My Router

Re: Loss of Ethernet

MisterW — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:55:26 GMT

A few days ago I suffered a complete loss of that connection and have tried factory resets on both devices numerous times to no avail. I happened to have spare devices and these also failed to work. I know my ethernet output from Hub two is fine as I have a wired connection to my nearby den.

Assuming you tried the Powerlines in the known good port of the Hub 2, then it would point towards a problem with the electrical wiring.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:13:26 GMT

@samd

In addition to trying a different set of Powerline adapters and proved the hub port to be OK, have you checked / tried replacing the ethernet cables connected to the Powerline adapters at each end?

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Dan_the_Van — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:33:40 GMT

@samd

Have you tried using the TP-Link utility "tpPLC_ Utility_Windows"? The download can be found on the TP-Link site for the device used. The utility should display found devices.

If possible I would suggest plugging the adapters into adjacent power socket to set them up.

HTH

Re: Loss of Ethernet

samd — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:38:26 GMT

Many thanks to both for your quick responses. I have tried all ports on Hub 2 and for each with 2 proven ethernet cables. Direct from ports to laptop show 510-ish but plug same cable into tp-link and 0.

I am unsure what electrical wiring is referred to and how I would access please.

In all cases, the 'powerline' (not power) LED does not show and, normally, I would then think the tp-link was at fault but I have 5 of the blessed things all displaying the same problem!

Re: Loss of Ethernet

samd — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:43:12 GMT

@Dan_the_Van Thanks - yes I use that facility and have factory reset all devices with it. I have a 4 gang wall socket immediately below the Hub 2 - less than a yard away.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:47:38 GMT

@samd

To try to "prove" your mains wiring, as suggested by @MisterW , the easiest way is to plug both of a Powerline adapter "pair" in to the two sockets of a dual gang 13Amp socket outlet - no mains wiring in between the two adapters! (As suggested by @Dan_the_Van ).

The "mains wiring" mentioned would be the power cables permanently buried in your walls and under the floor boards that connect to your consumer unit or fuse board.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Dan_the_Van — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:46:45 GMT

@samd

Have you tried using the secure option to give them the same network name, rather than using the pair button?

I always set my device using the app where possible.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

MisterW — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:47:43 GMT

I am unsure what electrical wiring is referred to and how I would access please

powerlines use your house electrical circuits to communicate.

Try the powelines in adjacent sockets as suggested, and preferably try different circuits. Houses usually have separate circuits for upstairs , downstairs and kitchen

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:53:09 GMT

"Houses usually have separate circuits for upstairs , downstairs and kitchen "

I don't know why, but my two storey semi-detached house, built in 1980, (so not particularly old), only has one ring main for the whole house.

That is in addition to a single lighting circuit, and dedicated feeds for the electric cooker and shower, making a grand total of 4 wired fuses in our Consumer Unit - no Miniature Circuit Breakers here!

Re: Loss of Ethernet

samd — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 15:29:28 GMT

@Dan_the_Van Thanks but it's before the 'pair' stage that the problem occurs. As said I have a 4 gang mains wall socket into which the hub and tp-link are plugged. Even though I have reset to factory settings, the tp led for powerline does not light up and using a further ethernet cable into the tp and thence to my laptop gives no result.

I am in the throes of deciding which Mesh system to purchase which may solve my problems but I am still worried that the issue may be something to do with Hubbie!!

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Dan_the_Van — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:12:49 GMT

@samd

If you say the power light is not coming on the it would suggest the device is dead, but all five?

For me there are three LED's

Power led - on when plugged into a live mains socket

Powerline - on when powerline network detected

Ethernet - on when device connected

After a reset I had to add the device to the tp-link powerline app for it to be seen, the powerline LED was off, came on when added to tp-link app using ~~secure network key~~ powerline device key, ~~I expect it would come on if using default security key~~

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Baldrick1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:52:40 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

I don't know why, but my two storey semi-detached house, built in 1980, (so not particularly old), only has one ring main for the whole house.

That is because your total floor area is less than 100sq m.

Things have changed since 1980. Whilst updating is not mandatory I would suggest that at the very least you get your consumer unit updated to the latest standard. This will give you greater protection from electrical fires and provide you and your family protection against electrocution should they get across the mains. Such protection is non existent with your current fusing arrangement.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:02:45 GMT

@Baldrick1

"That is because your total floor area is less than 100sq m."

It is, in fact according to the estate agent's floor plan from when we purchased this house, the total floor area, including the extension is "approx 88.8 sq metres". It feels significantly bigger than modern houses locally that were built much later. Modern houses seem to be much smaller than older ones - or is that just my imagination?

"Whilst updating is not mandatory I would suggest that at the very least you get your consumer unit updated to the latest standard."

Actually, this was one of the first things that I investigated when we first moved in 12 years ago.

I had an electrician come round, and he said that changing to a "modern" consumer unit with RCD's and MCBs would trigger a requirement to bring the whole house up to modern regulations and require a complete rewire of the whole place. That would obviously have caused significant disruption.

He tested our existing wiring and said that there was no problem with it - so we never pursued it.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Baldrick1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:30:39 GMT

What total rubbish! Try a different electrician.

PS I am aware that this is taking this thread off topic. If there is any desire to extend this conversation then please start a new topic on the Tech Help board.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Baldrick1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:34:28 GMT

@samd

you are not by any vacancy plugging any of the Powerline into an extension lead? These can cause problems and if it is a filtered extension then they almost certainly will not work.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

samd — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:52:00 GMT

@Dan_the_Van Sorry but I did say it is powerline \LEDs that are not showing. All power LED are functioning. I am interested in what you term as Powerline Device key which is a new concept to me. My kit is quite old.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:36:56 GMT

@Baldrick1

"I had an electrician come round, and he said that changing to a "modern" consumer unit with RCD's and MCBs would trigger a requirement to bring the whole house up to modern regulations and require a complete rewire of the whole place.

What total rubbish! Try a different electrician."

Just to close this bit off - I have just contacted another electrician, and as you say, what I was previously told was indeed "total rubbish".

Eletrician 2 is coming round next week to give me a price - but I already know that due to the latest regulations, it won't be cheap.

Thanks for the prompt to re-investigate.

Re: Loss of Ethernet

Dan_the_Van — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:51:01 GMT

@samd wrote:

@Dan_the_Van Sorry but I did say it is powerline \LEDs that are not showing. All power LED are functioning. I am interested in what you term as Powerline Device key which is a new concept to me. My kit is quite old.

I am referring to the password found below the mains plug pins, it is in the format

ABCD-EFGH-IJKL-MNOP

I use it to add the device to the tp-link powerline app

HTH