topic Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update in My Router

Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:17:44 GMT

It’s over two years since I first wrote of how to set up a Smarthub for use on a Plusnet service, see https://community.plus.net/t5/My-Router/Using-the-BT-Smarthub-6-on-a-Plusnet-Account/m-p/1587673#M8557. Since then, there have been changes in the firmware and feedback from those who have adopted these hubs has led to further understanding. This post has therefore been produced as an update, maybe the Mods will think it suitable for pinning with the original?

The original instructions still work fine but the following should be noted:

All versions of BT Smarthub and Smarthub 2 will currently work on your Plusnet account, including the FTTP models, see https://community.plus.net/t5/My-Router/Using-a-FTTP-Smarthub-6-on-a-Plusnet-FTTC-Service/m-p/1651767#M12937.
Since December 2018 BT have been effectively ‘loaning’ Smarthubs to their customers and now charge if they are not returned at the end of a contract, Consequently Smarthubs sold as ‘new’ are more than likely better described as ‘unused’.
A regular mistake made is to plug the DSL cable in before instructed. The results in the connection being redirected to BT servers where the Plusnet username is thrown out and the page redirected to the BT trouble shooter. The only connections must be limited to the power plus either an Ethernet cable or a wireless connection until instructed otherwise.
Smart Setup has moved on some firmware versions from the Home to the Status page.
After the username and password is set there may no longer be a ‘Save’ option. However, connecting the DSL cable and if necessary, selecting ‘Connect’ results in the Plusnet settings being retained.
Some early versions of firmware will not accept special characters in the password. Whilst Plusnet mention using a special character, one is not required so if necessary logging into your Plusnet account and changing the password to alpha numeric characters only will fix this. If you are worried about security then simply add a couple more characters to your password.
BT support Smarthubs even though they are connected to Plusnet, so firmware updates are still automatically applied.
The factory reset instructions are included in the original document as the previous users settings on a second hand Smarthub could cause confusion. However, if it is a case of transferring from BT to Plusnet and the same hub is being retained then this is not necessary. In these cases, all that is required is to drop the DSL by either selecting Disconnect in the Advanced/Broadband settings or removing the DSL cable, changing to the Plusnet Username (followed by @plusdsl.net) and Password, then selecting Connect.
Whilst the cause is not known (a mains surge/brown out is suspected) it is not unknown (but rare) for the username and password to revert to the default BT ones. It is suspected that this is the BT way of recovering the Smarthub from a non-recoverable firmware crash. If this happens then all that is required is to click Disconnect in the Advanced/Broadband settings, re-enter the username (followed by @plusdsl.net) and password then Connect.
It can save a lot of time and effort when many wireless devices are in use to change the Smarthub SSID (Network Name) and Password in Advanced/Wireless settings to be identical to those of your Plusnet Hub. This way you can seamlessly swap between the two. Note that the admin password will not change and it will revert to the original settings after a Factory Reset.
Business Version Only. If selecting your own choice of DNS Servers you must change DNS Servers/Auto field from Yes to No for the drop down list into which you enter the IP address fields to appear.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:48:39 GMT

I've just noticed an error. BT started charging for non returned Smarthubs in December 2019 NOT 2018.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Mattwilf — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 01:11:18 GMT

Thanks Baldrick1 for your advice and the steps to go through. Im going to get a hub 6 for the same issues with the rubbish plusnet router. Do you have to when setting up.....
"Go to ‘Advanced Wireless’ in the ‘Advanced settings’. In the field above the 5GHz band column labelled ‘Separate Bands’ set this to ‘ON’. Note that this should automatically add ‘-5’ to the ‘Network Name’. If not add it manually. You will now have two independent channels, use the best."?
If I do, will this give 2 wifi channels to log into and which would be the best?

Many thanks

Matt

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 09:41:46 GMT

@Mattwilf

No, you don’t need to separate the bands if you would rather leave them synchronised. I include this as some devices have problems with them in sync. It is suspected that the cause is that some devices flip flops between the two and either won’t connect or have drop outs.

If you separate them you will find that if you go to your device available network settings you have two SSIDs, both have the same password. Which is best depends on several factors but the general rule is that 2.4 GHz works at a greater distance than 5GHz whilst at short ranges the 5GHz channel is faster. It’s a case of trying both and using the best.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Mattwilf — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:14:39 GMT

Thanks a lot. That's brilliant👍

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Longliner — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 11:38:31 GMT

@Baldrick1

This is one of the most useful posts I have seen on any forum. Thanks again for sharing the results of what must have been a great deal of hard work!

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

quelquod — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:54:40 GMT

I've just acquired a Hub6/Smarthub from eBay. No packaging or docs so don't know anything about it aside from these posts thanks.

The network name was originally set as BTHub6-**** which I changed to be the same as my old PlusNet one. However as soon as I changed the network name for the 2.4GHz band, the 5GHz band immediately changed to -5. I could insert the PlusNet name in front of the -5 which gives me split bands but I can't remove the -5.

I don't really want this. Having the same name for both bands has never been an issue and it's a bit of an unnecessary pain having to choose between them. However there is no option available to combine or split the bands, simply changing the original BT network name causes the 5Gz name to change to -5. It's odd because after a full reset both bands DO have the same BT network name.

Anyone else seen this problem or better still found a way round it?

Aside from that it works really well, noticeably faster and trivial to set up following @Baldrick1 instructions.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

quelquod — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:58:02 GMT

Should have done a bit more researching first. Seems it's a known issue but here is a solution:

Solved: Smart Hub - wifi network names problem - BT Community

I can confirm it works OK but it takes a few goes to get the timing right.

I still don't know why I don't have the option NOT to split the bands but this works for me anyway. 😀

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:33:25 GMT

@quelquod

But you do have the option to leave the bands synchronised. All you have to do is go into the advanced wireless settings, select the 5GHz tab and change ‘Separate Bands’ to OFF.

I recommend separating them as some devices don’t work when they are in sync.

My reading of your linked post is that it is from someone who wanted to use different SSIDs for the two bands without having -5 automatically added to the end of the 5GHz band.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

quelquod — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:44:39 GMT

As I said though, there isn’t that option or I’d have chosen it! However giving the 2 bands either the same or different names achieves that of course, however there is no explicit option on my advanced wireless page. After a factory reset both bands have the same name but as I described, any attempt to edit causes the router to try to enforce a -5 suffix.

I’m aware of the potential problems with not separating the bands, however none of my devices gives any trouble and it’s more convenient (non-tecchy wife!) to only have 1 SSID.

Perhaps I’m due an update, we’ll see. Thanks for your howto posts!

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:23:43 GMT

@quelquod

I apologise for sounding sceptical but this is the first time that I have heard of this. If you factory reset the hub before you set it up I would have expected the two bands to have been synchronised by default. Did you go through this step?

These are the two alternatives that I get with my hub. The first shows them as independant bands, the second shows the two bands as both switched on and synchronised.

I assume but haven't tried that selecting 'Reset to recommended' will in fact synchronise them.

Can you help by posting a screenshot of your advanced wireless page?

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

quelquod — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:22:18 GMT

Despite your scepticism I don't have the option. My advanced wireless page looks like this:

As you can see, the 2nd line of text on your page is absent from mine. As a by-the-way I also don't have the 'Configuration / MAC Filtering' options that you do, and my page layout is subtly different but maybe yours is the business or FTTP version? Just for completeness, the 'Reset to recommended' option does not cover splitting/combining (but nevertheless I did try it - it didn't!):

So no obvious way to select combine or split apart from how I define the SSID. After a factory reset both bands have the same BT name but it still isn't displayed as per your second screenshot with a single heading labelled '2.4GHz and 5GHz'. So as delivered the bands are not combined per se but they are given the same SSID which is what I've done. Works OK like that so no problem, just different. Maybe I am due a software update sometime.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Prodigy11UK — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:50:16 GMT

Hi all,

A newbie here. We've been using John Lewis fibre 68mbps for the past few months but the wifi has been hit and miss, now getting worse with no help from customer service who just say Wifi isn't there problem even when we are getting 6MBPS while standing next to the router!
I want to try configuring BT Smart Hub 2 but wanted to check the above helpful instructions would work on JL before I make a complete mess of everything. Do I just need to amend the email address to the JL suffix or is there more to do please? Also, I can see steps 11 onwards but the link for the previous steps seem to be for an older BT router but I guess the steps are the same for Smart Hub 2? Thanks so much for any help.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:29:59 GMT

@Prodigy11UK Welcome to the Plusnet forum.

The setting procedure for the Smarthub and Smarthub 2 are the same. It should work fine on a JL connetion. See here for the format, https://www.johnlewisbroadband.com/support/customer-service/server-addresses.html I don't know if it's the same as your JL email address, the appendix to the username (the bit after the full stop) is different for Plusnet users so you will need to check that out.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Prodigy11UK — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:13:32 GMT

Thanks @Baldrick1 ! Sorry I thought the first 10 steps were for some kind of business internet modem, will have a go tomorrow. Thanks again and reminds me that I haven't watched Black Adder for a long time so will also look for that on iPlayer - after internet is fixed!

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

John_Hull — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:14:21 GMT

Thanks for all your help with this @Baldrick1 . I have a small query (I think)

With the help of your posts, I set up my Smarthub a couple of months ago, but I've found that random pieces of kit will suddenly lose connection, and fail to connect, until I turn the hub off and on again.

Is there a fix for this?

John

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:32:56 GMT

@John_Hull

I have never come across this problem with a Smarthub. Have you separated the 2.4 and 5GHz bands as leaving them synchronised can cause connection problems, hence the instruction to separate them.

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

John_Hull — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:49:42 GMT

Thanks for the response. I hadn't separated them, but will try it. It's a random thing. My wife's phone did it a bit, until I changed the settings so that it didn't randomise a Mac address, then it seemed to be fine, but every now and then a piece of kit loses connection, and won't reconnect

I have noticed that some devices connect on 2.4 sometimes and 5GHz at others. That was why I wanted to leave it for the system to decide which was best.

Again. Thanks for your help.

John

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

Baldrick1 — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:34:30 GMT

@John_Hull

If you connect the device to each band in turn turn then both channels will be available to the device. Consequently depending on the device, when it comes into range it will still have both available and depending on how good the device firmware is should still pick the best,

Re: Using A BT Smarthub, An Update

dejjones — Wed, 05 May 2021 18:25:37 GMT

@quelquod

Since I've reading this, and Baldrick1's other excellent thread, I get the feeling that I have a rare version of the BT Smarthub 6.

The box says it is a SI 7.0 Item Code 088044

The firmware version is v0.11.01.10191-BT and I have a blank "software variant" field.

This seems to be different to most of the software/firmware versions talked about in this discussion.

Your Advanced wireless page looks like mine, so was wondering if you had the same model as me?