topic Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router in My Router

Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:03:07 GMT

Hi,

First time user of the plusnet forums, thought I'd give them a try. I've been using PlusNet's own Hub One router for a few months now but the WiFi signal is pretty [-Censored-] poor to be honest so wanted to attempt at using my own router that I have spare via work which was an Icotera i4850.

I browsed the section via the website about using your own router, and configured the Icotera with the relevant username and password making sure the authentication method was set to CHAP but no luck.

Curious if anyone on here has ever used an Icotera router with their Plusnet connection?

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

dvorak — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:09:04 GMT

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Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

bmc — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:16:24 GMT

@Sklarby

A very quick look online appears to show that the Icotera is a router only. If so, you'd need a modem in front of it.

Brian

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:59:28 GMT

Hi Brian,

Think I know the answer to this one already but guessing you cannot use the Hub One in "modem only mode"?

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

MisterW — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:19:34 GMT

Think I know the answer to this one already

@Sklarby and you would be right...

Assuming your connection is Fibre(FTTC) then modem options are

a used Openreach HG612 modem from ebay

a TP link W9970, configured in bridge (modem only) mode

a Draytek vigor 130

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

bmc — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:19:56 GMT

@Sklarby

I suspect you're correct but don't quote me on that.

You could see if there are any original white OpenReach modems (HG612) available on auction sites. Failing that, check for BT SmartHubs - they can be used on PlusNet.

Brian

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

MisterW — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:25:19 GMT

Failing that, check for BT SmartHubs - they can be used on PlusNet.

but dont you need the Business version to be able to configure in bridge mode ?

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Baldrick1 — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:28:44 GMT

@MisterW

Yes.

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

bmc — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:48:03 GMT

I was actually suggesting the BT SmartHub might do for WiFi. Totally and utterley failed to make that clear. Oops!

Brian

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:56:42 GMT

If I have to purchase something, I'll probably look to purchase something that can function as both modem & router rather than buy a modem just to test I a spare router I had lying around.

I'll browse the interwebs to find a decent one, thanks for your help/advice everyone

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

bmc — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:35:55 GMT

@Sklarby

A BT business SmartHub would give the best of both worlds and probably be the cheapest option. You could try it's WiFi and, if not happy, try it in bridge mode with the Icotera. Apart from that, any VDSL modem/router might do.

The PlusNet HubOne is a re-badged BT HH5 so is several years old. There are rumours PlusNet will be introducing a new router later this year along side a commercial FTTP product. However, until there's an announcement these are only rumours. I wouldn't expect the new router to be handed out to existing customers except when they re-contract (and probably ask!!).

Brian

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 10:44:15 GMT

Hi all,

Went through a different route instead, disabled the wifi on my Hub One and hooked up my Icotera via LAN > LAN to the Hub One and utilising the wifi on the Icotera instead. Will test out over the next 24 hours to see if it gives improved results over wifi.

Only remaining question, was I wanted to change the DNS settings on the HubOne to use Cloudflare instead of Plusnets own DNS servers but this doesn't seem to be an option and having hunted around some previous forums it seems this setting is locked to default on the HubOne and we're unable to change this. Just wondering if this is still the case? Forums I read were a few years outdated.

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

MisterW — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:25:45 GMT

Just wondering if this is still the case?

It is.

In your configuration you might be able to use the Icotera as the DHCP/DNS server. You need to be able to configure its DHCP server so that it hands out the Hub one ( 192.168.1.254 ) as the default gateway , rather trhan itself. If that's possible , then disable the DHCP server on the Hub one, configure the Icotera DHCP for the 192.168.1.x subnet , set the default gateway and set the DNS servers you require.

I've seen it done using the DHCP server on a Pi but it should work on the Icotera

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

bmc — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:34:35 GMT

@Sklarby

At least you can use the Icotera to confirm it's suitable for your WiFi needs.

Brian

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:43:44 GMT

Ended up following through with @MisterW's idea. Configured the Icotera as a DHCP/DNS server, also changed the physical setup so the Icotera WAN port now connects to the LAN port on the Hub One, with the Icotera just NAT'ing it's traffic out towards the Hub One.

Icotera is now using Cloudflare's DNS servers, and wifi seems to be performing better so far!

Thanks for the assistance all. Everything looks to be sorted now

P.S. definitely had a better experience on here than I have previously speaking to PlusNet support over the phone...will use the forums more often in the future!

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

MisterW — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:52:38 GMT

also changed the physical setup so the Icotera WAN port now connects to the LAN port on the Hub One, with the Icotera just NAT'ing it's traffic out towards the Hub One.

That wasnt quite my idea. In your configuration you will have a double-NAT i.e both the Icotera and Hub one will be applying NAT. Its undesirable but may not be a problem in your situation. If you use voip or need to do any portforwarding then it will be problematic.

My idea was to leave the connection as LAN-LAN with both the Icotera and Hub one on the same 192.168.1.x subnet, but to move the DHCP function from the Hub one to the Icotera but with a default gateway set to the Hub one.

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

Sklarby — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:00:44 GMT

Yeah aware of double NAT, actually plugged it in via the WAN port to test some parental control settings that didn't seem to be functioning properly via the previous setup, but work via this one. Got no VoIP or portforwarding config set up so not an issue there and this is the only way I got parental control working on the icotera though (webUI and functionality of it isn't great tbh)

Did try your setup before with LAN>LAN and DHCP on Icotera with DG of Hub One and that also worked well, not too difficult to revert back to that if I run into any issues down the line so am safe either way (saved the exact configuration)!

Thanks @MisterW

Re: Using Icotera i4850 as own router

MisterW — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:26:12 GMT

Yes, any parental control functions on the Icotera, I suspect, are only going to work when its in full routing mode