topic Re: Connections Dropping in Full Fibre

Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 12:40:32 GMT

Openreach are replacing old cables with new Fibre cables to all the telegraph poles, but have not replaced to house.

Since they finished , my broadband keeps disconnecting at all hours of the day . I have reported this and an engineer is coming out.

I would like to know if the cables to the house are being replaced , or do I have to order ultra fast broadband to get a digital line.

Thank you.

Re: Connections Dropping

Baldrick1 — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 12:54:52 GMT

@silversurfer10

I suspect that Openreach are installing fibre to your local poles. This is a totally separate service to the old copper cable and it is there to feed the fibre directly directly to your property. To get access to this new service and a new connection from the pole to your property you will need to upgrade to FTTP. This is currently not available from Plusnet but is allegedly coming soon.

It is highly unlikely that the copper cable to your property will be changed unless is the direct cause of a fault.

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:19:17 GMT

@silversurfer10

You can check the following to see if OR have any FTTP plans for you.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

https://www.openreach.com/

The first will only show WBC FTTP it it's available (or perhaps nearing availability). It needs to show up here before any order can be placed.

If it is FTTP coming OR will hang equipment at the pole serving your house.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 15:42:25 GMT

What happens after 2025, when the digital phones replaces analogue phones, who has to provide the cables to the houses then?

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 15:50:05 GMT

@silversurfer10

It is just the PSTN that is being withdrawn. Copper cables to a premise will not be replaced - unless FTTP is available and an overhead line is replaced with a fibre optic one.

A digital phone service will be provided over the copper.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:11:18 GMT

Is it right that if the cable to the telegraph pole is faulty, it will be replaced with a fibre cable?

Re: Connections Dropping

Mook — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:23:12 GMT

I doubt that @silversurfer10. It may be true but the pole would need to have fibre on it already to justify it, but if you're using a copper based service then why would they do it when copper is cheaper than fibre.

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:42:42 GMT

Are you aware that by 2025 the old analogue telephone system is being turned off, ie ,copper cable is being replaced throughout the uk by fibre cable. It will be called the digital phone service and calls will be made via broadband.Openreach will no longer use copper cable, just fibre cable.

Re: Connections Dropping

Mook — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:47:25 GMT

I am indeed @silversurfer10 but what the intention is versus the reality are two very different things. Me; I'm not holding my breath, I don't look good in purple and blue.

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 11:59:19 GMT

I suppose the main reason is to make US pay more money. I can remember when computers where available to everybody, and the internet speed was 8 kbs, you had time to have breakfast and cut the grass before you could download anything , compared to what is now available 1GBS

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:13:46 GMT

@silversurfer10

In the early days of the OR FTTP enhanced rollout overhead copper lines were replaced with a hybrid copper / fibre cable (only so much space on a pole). I believe they now only use a fibre cable so the copper cable will be removed as part of the process.

With FTTC there are two basic products (40/10 & 80/20) although BT Retail offers slightly different speeds. I believe BT Retail charges the same for these two speeds whether the service is provided over copper (FTTC) or fibre (FTTP). They provision FTTP as default if it's available.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:28:56 GMT

@silversurfer10

Your photo certainly looks like FTTP equipment but would require a Customer Connectorized Terminal (CBT) or Distribution Point (DP - as I call them) further up the pole. These do the individual property connections. The following is an 8 port underground one.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 19:39:10 GMT

It does have 2 DP`s.

Your photo is for new builds I presume?

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:14:10 GMT

@silversurfer10

In post #12 I should have said Connectorized Block Terminal (CBT). If you have DP's further up the pole then FTTP is coming to your property. If you count the number of ports / nodes they should exceed the number of lines from the pole.

You need to keep an eye on the following. When it shows WBC FTTP in the left hand column and Available over to the right then the circuit is live. https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

I picture I posted is from my house (over 20 years old) chamber. It's the system used in all underground supplied lines where the ducts are usable. The 8 ports served 7 properties. When a service is requested OR run a cable through the duct to your house and plug it in to the CBT (hence connectorized). For my house they drilled through the wall but later installs from this chamber went in via the existing copper line entry point.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:01:13 GMT

How many houses cane be connected to each DP? And OR Engineer determined that either the old BT Mastersocket box or Plusnet filter was faulty, and replaced with an all in one new box.

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:17:50 GMT

@silversurfer10

The DP's come in various sizes. The one for my property is 8 port / node. The one visible in your picture has 4 ports / nodes. I believe you get 12 port / node DP's. I would assume OR has put enough capacity on the pole to cover all lines.

Hope the new master socket helps.

Brian

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:26:55 GMT

It has , broadband is now stable and no drop outs so far in the last 24 hours.

Re: Connections Dropping

FlossyThePig — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:21:27 GMT

Last week a team from OpenReach were stringing fibre cables to the posts along our lane as the first part of supplying FTTP to few properties here.

I had a discussion with one of them to find out what was happening. I was told that in about a months time they would replace the connection to each house with a dual fibre optic and copper cable, with the option of going FTTP then or retaining the copper connection. As my FTTC connection currently gives me speeds of 7.5-8.5 mbps down and 0.4-0.5 mbps FTTP would be the way forward.

A simple upgrade I thought but NO!

PlusNet do not provide FTTP at the moment so if I want an improved service I will have to go elsewhere. How can I do it as all the other ISPs only supply what is available now, not what will be available in a few weeks time.

Re: Connections Dropping

silversurfer10 — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:59:00 GMT

When the work is done, the broadband speeds should be a lot faster than than 7mps. It should be about 30 to 50 mps.

Perhaps BMC may enlighten us. . You can upgrade to Fibre Unlimited and you will get better speeds than 7mbs.

If you go onto Openreach website they can tell who supply Ultra Fast Broadband. (About £40 a month)

Do not worry, your speeds will increase.

Re: Connections Dropping

bmc — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:13:39 GMT

@FlossyThePig

I would be surprised if OR replaced the house cables during the network install as it would require access to each property. What usually happens is the house wire gets replaced as and when FTTP is ordered.

As you've discovered you can't order FTTP until it is live - keep an eye on the following link. You need to see WBC FTTP in the left hand column and Available over to the right.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

FTTP speed is not limited by distance so you'll get near to whatever package you may order.

As noted, PlusNet don't currently have a FTTP product but it is coming in the second half of the year (supposedly). If you can't wait that long you can move to BT or EE FTTP free of any PlusNet early termination fees. You just need to let them know first.

Brian