topic Re: FTTP Guidance in Full Fibre

FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Sun, 17 Nov 2024 11:59:27 GMT

With Openreach busy around this area it's probable that FTTP will arrive in 2025. My modem/router is a TP Link VR900 which doesn't have a phone connection, I'm loathe to change it has it's connected to cameras, extenders and smart plugs. My phones are Panasonic KXTGJ 320 DECT. So question 1 ..will I need an ATA ? Openreach now seem to fit a very basic ONT without a telephone socket and no battery backup, if there was a socket would I still need an ATA? The current MK3 wall socket is cabled to my kitchen and bedroom can I retain this link and connect the ATA to the phone socket on the MK3? I'm getting too old for all this nuisance which I notice always seems to cost the customer. Last question ,as Plusnet will no longer be able to provide the telephone part of my contract will I still have to pay a penalty to end the contract?

Thank everyone

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

bmc — Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:30:35 GMT

@oldjack

It is likely you'll need an ATA with your current equipment - you need a spare ethernet port on the router.

Whether you'll be allowed to move FOC is currently not known. PN would transfer you to to BT / EE FOC which is the easiest (though not cheapest) way to keep your phone number and the BT Hub has a phone socket.

Other ISP's also do phone and internet - I believe Zen Internet are highly regarded (their router is also highly regarded and has a phone socket).

Internet extensions can be made to work with a little bit of work but I'm not certain if this is possible with a single phone port in a router.

You've already touched on the need for power backup if you want your phone to work in a power cut - ONT, router and phone.

To stay with PN and keep a phone you would need to port your number to an independant VOIP provider within 30 days of FTTP going live. ASAP is best. A&A come highly recommended on this Forum and have a good FAQ section on VOIP.

https://www.aa.net.uk/voice-and-mobile/voip-information/

Brian

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:49:14 GMT

Thank you Brian,

So an ATA will be needed as feared. The idea was not to plug my phone into the ATA but use a plug-in cable from it to the BT phone socket on the Mk3 box which of course would be defunct with the arrival of fibre. Perhaps a case of suck it and see!!.I did think at one stage BT was supposed to cater for very old timers like me who had concerns about power outages, especially now that a lunatic is responsible for energy.

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

bmc — Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:18:03 GMT

@oldjack

You can check if FTTP is planned for your property here

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

https://www.openreach.com/

The first link might not say anything but the second should.

Some questions

When does your contract end?

Are you happy to leave PN (losing e-mail address if you go) or would you prefer to stay with them?

What's your mobile signal like?

Do you receive / make a lot of calls on your home phone?

Do you have any house / care alarms connected to your phone?

ISP's have a duty of care to vunerable people but I don't think just being old comes into that catogory.

Brian

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:13:24 GMT

Hi again Brian,

Contract ends Nov 2025...when Plusnet states my contract will cost about £18 more?

Yes I have a mobile, many of the old people of my age haven't, signal strength 2 bars .If there's a power failure then it probably means the mobile tower (rural area) will also be down.

Mainly use home phone not mobile.

Luckily don't need care alarms.

Yes I'd stay with Plusnet if it had VOIP when FTTP arrives. I prefer to have internet and phone with one supplier.

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

Townman — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:36:54 GMT

Having voice and broadband with one supplier does not have the the imperative it used to, where a fault on the voice service could impact broadband without being detrimental to the voice service. Such issues certainly used to create ping-pong battles over ownership and rectification of such faults on the copper circuit.

There are though convenances in having one bill for both ... but that does limit the choice of suppliers for broadband, for which you will probably pay more than Plusnet's prices.

Re: FTTP Guidance

bmc — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:55:39 GMT

@oldjack

Thanks for the information.

Unless you're desperate for the speed FTTP brings then you don't have to do anything until October when you can set the wheels in motion for a move to any provider you choose.

Phone towers have battery backups - it's a question of how long they last. As it is with FTTC Cabinets.

PN will not be providing VOIP full stop. They appear to be being set up as the basic Internet supplier of the BT Group. Apparently BT will be the business ISP and EE the comsumer phone / internet brand.

If you wish to stay with one provider then that means leaving PN. There are several to choose from - it's simply a case of which one suits you. Note that if you decide on EE when FTTP comes you can move ASAP FOC.

Zen Internet have a good reputation and a well regarded router with a phone port so no ATA required (as with EE).

Only technical question is how to link your house extensions in. One I can't answer.

Note that prices in a year's time are indictive only - they could go up or down. I believe Zen have a "no increase" in price during a contract policy.

Brian

Re: FTTP Guidance

jgb — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:15:21 GMT

If you are plugging an analogue DECT base into the Fon port in the router (in my case it is a Zen supplied Fritz!box 7530AX) then the other analogue DECT handsets continue to work as before as they are in contact with their base station not the router. No ATA is required.

I am afraid I have no knowledge of how to connect up your phone extension sockets if you need those to work. However, analogue DECT phone sets are available at a much lower price than the digital (VOIP) ones (from about £30 for a twin set upwards for triple or quadruple sets - cheaper than an ATA) and so, if necessary you could invest in one of those and render your extension sockets redundant. The DECT base station will need a power socket, as will the charging stations for the other handset(s).

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:25:20 GMT

Thank jog,

I did originally say that I wasn’t inclined to change my router, in that case an ATA will be required. If I eventually decide to switch to ZEN then I may switch to FRITZ router. I didn’t want my DECT base next to the router hence wishing to use existing cabling to keep it in present position.

Re: FTTP Guidance

jab1 — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:28:39 GMT

I didn’t want my DECT base next to the router - why not? Mine is about five inches away and has no problems.

Re: FTTP Guidance

bmc — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:32:03 GMT

@oldjack

With regard to your old and potential new router.

Changing ethernet cables is straight forward - unplug from old and connect to the new.

As for WiFi you can change the WiFi credentials on the new router to match what you already use - nothing else needed.

Brian

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:34:01 GMT

Hi John,

Nothing to do with possible interference,it’s down to clutter and limited power sockets.

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:39:50 GMT

Thanks Brian, not concerned about the mechanics of changing the router. WiFi security cameras can be a pain if disturbed which can result in clambering up and down ladders and manually handshaking.

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

jab1 — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:42:35 GMT

@oldjack wrote:

Hi John,

Nothing to do with possible interference,it’s down to clutter and limited power sockets.

Jack

Fair enough.

Re: FTTP Guidance

MisterW — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:44:14 GMT

The Zen supplied Fritzbox is not only an ATA in that it has a telephone port, but is also a DECT base in its own right.

Re: FTTP Guidance

bmc — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:52 GMT

@oldjack

If you want to avoid buying an ATA by using a router with a built in phone port you'll have no choice but to change.

The Dect base station will also need to be near unless you run a very long phone cable (or apparently use a FritzBox).

If or when FTTP arrives you have a bit more choice. Although it usually does the ONT doesn't need to be where the master socket is. It can be elsewhere depending on if it's possible and the installer is willing to work with you. The router is connected via an ethernet cable so can go anywhere you're willing to run said cable.

Brian

Re: FTTP Guidance

jgb — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:41:07 GMT

@MisterW

Yes, you are correct, the Fritxbox does have a DECT base but it is simpler to merely plug in the Analogue base station to the Fon port. That way you do not lose any of the functionality of your analogue phone, such as its address book. If you pair your analogue phone withe the Fritxbox DECT base, you may find your analogue phone becomes a much simpler device merely able to receive and make calls. Much of the functionality of the analogue phone is associated with its own DECT base station and this is lost if you pair the phone(s) with the DECT base in the Fritzbox. Although doing it this way would mean that the analogue phone could be sited away from the router (beyond the length of its existing phone cord or the one included in the box with the router)

Re: FTTP Guidance

jab1 — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:47:10 GMT

The Fritz!Box has its own address book - and a number of other functions. I've not used it in 'paired mode as I only have the analogue phones connected as only a couple of my contacts use the 'land-line', and those calls tend to be quite long, the headset I use with that phone is much more comfortable than my mobile one - which is used for all outgoing ones anyway.

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:07:38 GMT

Yes it would be cheaper to change to router supplied by ZEN

My present base station is hard wired from the mk3 master socket into the kitchen. My choices would be to relocate the base directly to the router or perhaps connect the tel skt on the router to the tel skt on the master socket .

Jack

Re: FTTP Guidance

oldjack — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:09:50 GMT

Thank you that’s food for thought.

Jack