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Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

mjb2k8 — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:33:31 GMT

Just upgraded to 900mbps full fibre and it's fantastic. Hard wired my house and receiving speeds of 1gbps - 1.5gbps. absolutely fantastic! Only thing I would say is offer some sort of WiFi booster! Installer was brilliant too!

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:50:43 GMT

@mjb2k8

Did you go for this gigabit speed for a particular use, eg one person gaming, or is it so that multiple people can be online at the same time?

How many people in your family?

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

mjb2k8 — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:55:16 GMT

Hi there, 6 people in my family and two pcs and an Xbox, along with a fire stick and TV and multiple phones. We can all be online at the same time and the speed is actually incredible. With the Xbox and two pcs running at the same time we still get over 850mbps 😮

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:08:48 GMT

There are only 3 of us in our family, each with a PC and laptop or tablet, a phone each and two TVs. None of us do the sort of gaming that apparently benefits from gigabit speeds, and for the most part our FTTC 80/20, (which syncs at the full speeds), is perfectly adequate for our needs.

However, with the forthcoming price increase, I will be paying over £29 per month. Openreach don't expect to be installing FTTP in this area for at least another year, but CityFibre has been available for about 3-4 years.

Vodaphone have regular offers for their 900Mb service, (with a VoIP phone line) - at £30/month!

I have no real need for more than 10 times our current speed, but the fact that I could get it for less than a pound more per month than I will soon be paying makes it very tempting. Unfortunately I still have 12 months on our current Plusnet contract.

Interestingly, although Vodaphone's offer is subject to the same inflation+ annual increases, the same £30/month offers have been available since soon after it first became available to us - so hopefully will still be there next year!

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

mjb2k8 — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:22:06 GMT

Well best of luck with your choices, I just wanted to commend plusnet for their excellent service and fast speeds. Don't mind paying £45 a month at all. City fibre has just installed along our street but my address is apparently a problem for them so opted for this instead. You know I'm glad I did as before I was getting 67mbps and on WiFi even less!

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

HPsauce — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:39:42 GMT

I wonder how long before Gigabit fibre will become "standard" in that nothing will work properly unless your connection is that fast? 🤣

I just upgraded from ADSL running happily at 20mbps to "Fibre" (FTTC) at about 60mbps and really there's no difference, both are fine for what we do.

Main reason for moving was that overall it's actually significantly cheaper as I've also moved from POTS to VOIP for my landline. Plus a bit of "future-proofing". 😉

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:08:00 GMT

@HPsauce

"I wonder how long before Gigabit fibre will become "standard" in that nothing will work properly unless your connection is that fast? 🤣"

My very first PC, in the mid 1990s came with a 28.8kbps dial up modem, which I soon upgraded to a 56kbps one. That didn't seem particularly slow at the time - I guess websites etc in those days were designed for those sorts of speeds. No live streaming of video of course!

When ADSL became available in our area I was one of the first to upgrade. An always on connection running at 512kbps was a wonder to behold 😀.

I suppose jumping from 80Mbps to 900 would be a similar jump as comparing goint from 56k to 512k?

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Champnet — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:27:24 GMT

Won't belong before all traditional TV stations broadcast over the internet and aerials will just become chimney decorations. Then there will be a need for speed...........

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

greygit1 — Sat, 16 Mar 2024 23:16:24 GMT

Broadcast vs. multicast vs. unicast.

Broadcast is the most efficient, but the least traceable.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:04:21 GMT

@Champnet

"Won't belong before all traditional TV stations broadcast over the internet and aerials will just become chimney decorations. Then there will be a need for speed..........."

Not to the sort of speeds that are being discussed here though.

An HD video stream requires around 10Mbps and even UHD only about 30Mbps max.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Baldrick1 — Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:37:57 GMT

I don't think that many people have any concept of just how fast 1Gb/s is in real world terms.

The speed of light in a vacuum is about 300,0000 km/s or 0.3m/ns. Digital data being transferred at 1Gb/s is being clocked through the delivery medium at 1ns/b. So the maths tells us that every bit of data is being delivered in the time it takes for light to travel 0.3m, or in old money, about one foot.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Champnet — Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:54:25 GMT

@Baldrick1

Do these speeds include the conversations between end nodes as explained to me in the late 70s ?

"Hello, are you there ? " "Yes I'm here"

"I'm sending a lot of data are you ready ?" "Yes, go ahead"

"OK, I'm sending the first packet, let me know when you've got it" "Got it"

"Does it look good ?" "Yes"

"OK, I'll send the next one"

Repeated till all data sent & received.................

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Champnet — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:12:48 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
An HD video stream requires around 10Mbps and even UHD only about 30Mbps max.

Are those figures restricted by the average download speed being low 60s, though I reckon this is inflated by including the odd FTTP stats ?

If we all moved to high speed FTTP would the streaming videos be 8K, 32K or whatever the top speed is ?

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

RealAleMadrid — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:27:22 GMT

@Champnet The quoted speeds are the actual values for the HD and UHD video streams. Nothing to do with FTTC or FTTP speeds.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:33:06 GMT

@Champnet

Although video quality is subjective, I have some personal experience in this area:

I have been ripping my BluRay video collection to a hard drive. For us, a 1080P video encoded using the h/x265 codec, (commonly used for UHD), looks fine at 2-3Mbps when compared to the original disc.

I used to work in broadcasting - in Outside Broadcast contribution, from the OB site to the studios. Satellite delivered contribution streams in HD commonly ran at around 24Mbps. BT Sport commonly used bit rates in the range 100-140Mbps for their UHD contrubution of OB sporting events.

Contribution always uses far higher bit rates than distribution to viewers - because the feeds are usually archived for future use and editing etc.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Champnet — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:29:39 GMT

Thanks @Anonymous for your expertise, much appreciated, but progress is enevitable and users will alway demand bigger and better systems. Video rate of 1080P in our house is fine but maybe not for our neighbours.

@RealAleMadrid My comments were about video streaming over the internet so speed and bandwidth is important. I see that 8k streaming requires a minimum off 50Mbps, so if terrestial TV move to an online only services and decided to stream at 8K quality then most of us will not be watching much.........

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:54:10 GMT

@Champnet

Don't forget as well, that in addition to screen resolutions getting bigger, new codecs are also being developed - so to a degree the two things cancel out.

For example, DVDs and SD Freeview channels use the MPEG2/h262 codec. When HD - BluRay and Freeview HD came along, they used the MPEG4/h264 codec, which was around 50% more efficient than its predecessor. UHD streams generally use the h265 codec, which again is around 50% more efficient than h264.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Coding_Experts_Group#Video_coding_standards

The h266 codec is already in development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versatile_Video_Coding

Note also that screen resolution and codec are not tied to each other: I use the h265 codec for ripping DVDs.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

RealAleMadrid — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:58:23 GMT

@Champnet I don't believe IPTV services will decide to only stream at 8K quality when as you say many people would not have fast enough speeds, let alone having capable display devices. I would expect different rate streams to be available.

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:00:59 GMT

@RealAleMadrid

They wouldn't have many customers if they did!

@Champnet

Have a read up on Adaptive Bit Rate streaming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_bitrate_streaming

Re: Just upgraded to 900mbps Full Fibre

HPsauce — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:23:06 GMT

This article (and many others like it) make an interesting point, worth a read: Visual Acuity - The Sense and Non-sense of Ultra High Definition Displays - TFTCentral

The summary at the end begins:

Conclusion

On computer displays there is definitely something to say for 4K. You can display a lot of information simultaneously and you usually only have to focus on a small area at the time, which means the higher detail really has added value. Furthermore the short viewing distance allows a wide field of view without the need for extremely large displays. 8K might have its uses with very specific applications, but in general it would be excessive.

With televisions it’s a different story. Many people probably aren’t even making full use of their FHD TV yet. To really profit from 4K you’d need an extremely large screen, or sit extremely close. And 8K is just plain ridiculous. For a 250 cm viewing distance you’d need a 595 x 335 cm screen. There aren’t that many people with a wall that big in their house and even if you had, you’d need a pretty impressive beamer and a very large projection screen (they obviously don’t make TV’s that big).