topic Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ? in Full Fibre

Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

DafOwen — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 11:13:55 GMT

Currently on Unlimited Fibre Extra (FTTC) and just put in an order to upgrade to Full Fibre 145 (FTTP)

Will my existing static IP come along or will I need to re-order or automatically get a different static IP address ?
Guess some here may have gone through the process

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

bmc — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 12:32:01 GMT

@DafOwen

All things being well your static IP should stay with you.

Doing anything with your current landline?

Brian

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

DafOwen — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:01:12 GMT

Ah great cheers.

Landline : Nope - even switched the phone off - all I got were spam calls.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 17:52:07 GMT

Hi Dabbler,

Did you get your static IP up and working?

I am in the same dilemma, I have FTTP 900MB with now static IP

What I was given is:

Static IP: 80.229.14.13

Subnet: 255.255.255.255

Gateway: 195.166.130.251

1.) Head pulling since last Thursday, Static IP and Gateway not on the same network.

2.) I could not use it for my NAT or not even for a Webserver

More frustration, moving from business to Full fibre.

Everything has been down since.

Any help or tips. Much appreciated

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

Dan_the_Van — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 17:59:01 GMT

@sanyaade

Your public IP address and gateway not being on the same network is not an issue as everyone is the same

My static IP is 80.229.xxx.xxx with the gateway of 195.166.130.251

What are you trying to setup?

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

DafOwen — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:14:43 GMT

Not had FTTP installed yet - it's happening Tuesday PM - was intending to post an update here once done.

I replaced my old router with the new Plusnet Hub Two on my current FTTC and that's picked up the same/existing static IP.
Didn't initially but few mins later it did.

But sounds like your issue is something else.

If you mean connect from outside world in on the static IP coming in - check your router firewall settings for port forwarding / DMZ. ((Advanced Settings) If using Plusnet Hub Two)
As mine was a router sent from Plusnet - it likely had many settings pre configured e.g. username + password.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

MisterW — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:00:50 GMT

@sanyaade a static IP just means you always get allocated the same IP. You still need to configure your router for PPPoE and obtain ip from isp. Those qddresses look correct.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:19:07 GMT

@MisterW :

Yes! I already did configured the router but you wont be able to configure, setup and NAT to internal private IPs. I have even attempted them on Hub 2 and then tried out on my DrayTek 2860vn-plus. All but no avail.

The primary aim here is a Single Public IP Address NAT to private internals.

Many thanks for your support. Much appreciated.

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:36:44 GMT

@Dan_the_Van :

While both Static IP and the assigned Gateway IP are public IP addresses. I noticed that the gateway IP Address fluctuates, changes and even disappeared for my account add-on information page. Sometimes my router picks 195.166.130.254 as gateway or 195.166.130.254, sometimes 192.168.1.254 will appear as my primary DNS instead of 121.159.6.10 or 212.159.13.49.

The primary objective is to be able to use the single static IP and NAT with my local IPs. But that is giving problems currently

Could all be due to new account synchronisation?

I have not be able to use it since last Thursday when it went live (installation and activation)

Many thanks for time and support!

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

Dan_the_Van — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:47:13 GMT

@sanyaade

The Hub's default gateway would only change if there has been a DSL down/up or PPP restart.

Everything you describe is normal.

The primary aim here is a Single Public IP Address NAT to private internals.

This is all ready happening, ignoring you have a static public address all devices on your home/office network will be hidden behind your public IP Address. Only if you have a range of public address would you need to map an internal device to one of your public IP's.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

MisterW — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:11:48 GMT

The primary aim here is a Single Public IP Address NAT to private internals.

@sanyaade you just setup the router to forward the port to the private ip. Its then accessible via the public ip and port

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:13:26 GMT

@DafOwen :

Many thanks for your feedback and continuous support.

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

DafOwen — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:11:49 GMT

For my original query : What would happen to my current static IP when upgrading from FTTC to FTTP :

It seems to have come with me - yay 😁

I originally set up the new Plusnet Hub Two on the original FTTC connection. Initially it showed a different IP address, but after a few mins reverted to my correct Static IP.

Just had FTTP activated (+rebooted the router) and the original Static IP seems to have stayed.

Haven't tried connecting from outside in - but I don't really need that.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 16:15:27 GMT

@DafOwen :

Were your original static IPs public (i.e. from IP address block)?

Mine original was on IP address block (81.174.xxx.xx)

Did disconnect from your FTTC vDSL or still have it connect while your new FTTP is now connected to the WAN port?

Just curious where will your old static IPs coming from.

Were able to connect external to you local machine(e.g. servers)?

So far: for me,

None of my local machine assigned fixed private static IP (e.g. 81.192.1.20) could connect with the Hub2 Router.

Done NAT for port 80/80 on a server and even put it DMZ but no results

Only those on the dynamic private IP can connect.

I have some Cisco routers and DrayTek routers in my garage, also remember that I have BT business smart hub and home-smarthub bought few years ago but never used them. I may need to get them and experiment their features.

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

MisterW — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 16:24:26 GMT

None of my local machine assigned fixed private static IP (e.g. 81.192.1.20)

@sanyaade you must assign private static IPs in the same subnet as the Hub 2 LAN ( but outside its dhcp range )

By default that is 192.168.1.x and the range 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.63 will be suitable. The default gateway should be 192.168.1.254

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

DafOwen — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 16:34:54 GMT

The Engineer left both FTTC and FTTP connected (as my fibre wasn't set to be activated until later - he came early due to cancellations in his day).
For a while the fibre box was still flashing as it took a while to activate / validating with BT/exchange.
I kept an eye on the box.

When the fibre wall box stopped flashing and was a solid light - I disconnected the FTTC cable.
One device (laptop) worked straight away, another (phone) wouldn't connect to the internet.
I rebooted the hub + devices and all was well.

My outside static IP is in the range 80.229.xxx.xx
All my internal devices are set to get internal IP by DHCP

e.g, This Computer (desktop, wired connection) has gateway set to 192.168.1.254
It has been assigned an internal IP address 192.168.1.168
I have only set a static (Internal) IP to one of my devices - my NAS - 192.168.1.86. I set this on the Plusnet Hub Two (setting "Always use this IP address") and not on the device itself, although in theory I could do this.

I have no need to assign an external IP to my devices.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

MisterW — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 16:42:17 GMT

I have no need to assign an external IP to my devices.

you can't anyway! The ( single) public static ip is assigned to the router. Any devices on the lan must have private ips in the router subnet

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:19:28 GMT

@MisterW wrote:

None of my local machine assigned fixed private static IP (e.g. 81.192.1.20)

@sanyaade you must assign private static IPs in the same subnet as the Hub 2 LAN ( but outside its dhcp range )

By default that is 192.168.1.x and the range 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.63 will be suitable. The default gateway should be 192.168.1.254

@MisterW wrote:

None of my local machine assigned fixed private static IP (e.g. 81.192.1.20)

REPLY==> Same with me, none of mine private static IP are public (e.g. 81.192.1.20)

@sanyaade you must assign private static IPs in the same subnet as the Hub 2 LAN ( but outside its dhcp range )

By default that is 192.168.1.x and the range 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.63 will be suitable. The default gateway should be 192.168.1.254

REPLY==> Yes! You are absolutely right and spot on. I did exactly as you stated above. I assigned a static IP of 192.168.1.15 to a PC with default gateway of Hub 2 router: 192.168.1.254. But this did not work, no connection with the router, router sees it as unknown device with static IP. See below

Devices on Hub 2 subnets. Bottom one with static IP

The bottom device: educateiot is a PC given a static IP of 192.168.1.15; Gateway is: 192.168.1.254 (Hub 2 Router)

There is no connection/communication as shown below:

This is where I am stuck at the moment and trying to work around that issue.

Many thanks for your continuous support.

God blesses!!!

Regards

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

MisterW — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:37:25 GMT

Sometimes the Hub won't 'see' devices that are on static ips. Try changing the device to dhcp and let the Hub allocate an ip. Then edit the device and select 'always use this ip' ,that will effectively give you a static ip BUT one that the Hub has allocated so it will 'see' the device.

Re: Static IP after FTTC to FTTP upgrade ?

sanyaade — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:37:43 GMT

@DafOwen wrote:

e.g, This Computer (desktop, wired connection) has gateway set to 192.168.1.254
It has been assigned an internal IP address 192.168.1.168
I have only set a static (Internal) IP to one of my devices - my NAS - 192.168.1.86. I set this on the Plusnet Hub Two (setting "Always use this IP address") and not on the device itself, although in theory I could do this.

Okay! But the IP address you have above is not fixed since it was assigned by the Router from its DHCP. "Always used this IP address" means Router reserved it when lease period expired but not guarantee. The router DHCP range is: 192.168.1.64 - 192.168.1.253 (and your desktop is within that range). fixed private static should be within 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.63. but the router is not playing well those values as far as I can confirm from my end.

Many thanks for your reply.

God blesses!!!

Regards