topic Re: ONT to switch before router? in Full Fibre

ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:30:03 GMT

Is it possible for the CAT5/6 to go from the ONT to the router via a switch or does it need to be direct?

This is just a hypothetical question, I have a CAT5e from from where my ONT will be situated to where my router lives. It would be handy if I could pop a switch into the mix though...

Re: ONT to switch before router?

Darkfire — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:44:31 GMT

Whilst technically you could add a switch in and then authenticate with us using your router, no other device would get an internet connection via the switch as there is no connection from the LAN side of the router to the switch.

To enable the switch to provide internet access to your devices this would need to come after the router.

If you don't mind sharing what it is you're trying to achieve I'd be more than happy to provide any further information you may need

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:02:18 GMT

Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t consider that it’d be on another network segment / subnet.

I was hoping to take a feed to my TV which is currently fed via WiFi. Ubiquiti gear so pretty reliable but the CAT5 is so close I couldn’t resist considering it.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

Darkfire — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:34:00 GMT

You could put the switch after the router somewhere, preferably somewhere central to your home so you can run lines to anything you'd want wired, one line from ONT to where ever you want your router or if you have your own ubiquiti access points put our router right next to the ONT and use that for DHCP, Dns and Wan. Run ethernet to a switch wherever you'd like to place this then connect the access points and any wired devices to the switch.

Cat5e is quite easy to terminate yourself if you wanted to get cable cheaply but you can get predone cables of various lengths fairly easily online

Or if just for the tv stick the switch behind the TV, then cable the TV and put an access point off the switch for your WiFi setup

Re: ONT to switch before router?

bmc — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:16:48 GMT

@MrMot

Although it may not be ideal can you put the router beside the ONT. You can then install a switch on the Ethernet cable for the TC (or run a cable direct from the router) and then have a switch / access point where your router currently is.

Brian

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:39:41 GMT

No scope for a switch in that location, the Mrs wouldn't allow it!

Just had my install, seem to be getting 80/10. I imagine this will be tweaked?

ETA: Seeing 20 up now too. Working like a charm.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

Gandalf — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:16:19 GMT

I'm in the process of changing your account type over to 80/20 so you should see higher speeds shortly.

[edit]

That's done for you now. I've also updated your ticket 178140260 with more info.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:42:06 GMT

Thanks Gandalf.

Not had an email to say the ticket has been updated but will check. Really happy with how smooth it's gone from order to install, even the ONT sits pretty well where it is.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

Gandalf — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 11:54:46 GMT

No problems, glad to hear the install went well!

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:15:05 GMT

Regarding speeds. I'm seeing just over 20Mbps up, nearing 21 and bursting to 22.5. With downloads I'm seeing 72Mbps or so - I'm aware with *DSL that there are overheads and you won't achieve sync speed when speed testing. What's the reason with FTTP?

Re: ONT to switch before router?

Gandalf — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:23:15 GMT

As there are no sync speeds on FTTP, you should be seeing speeds close to the provisioned speed of 80mbps, at least over a wired connection.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:03:22 GMT

I see this on speedtest.net and TBB:

Here's me transferring a file to my laptop via wireless AC from my NAS - transfer speed is around 300Mbps so I would hope to see the 80 from your service. I'll go and try with an Ethernet cable though

ETA: Here's a wired speed test. I can pull 1Gbps from my NAS over this cable

Re: ONT to switch before router?

RealAleMadrid — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:11:06 GMT

That's about the best speed you can get on 80/20 after allowing for the BT IP Profile and overheads. Fast WIFI and 1Gbps ethernet won't make it any better. Just enjoy the reliable FTTP connection.

Edit: Or have I got it wrong? @Gandalf Does the BT IP profile apply to FTTP connections?

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:11:52 GMT

Gandalf seems to think I should see a little more than I am. The upload would suggest that the download should be closer to the 80Mbps figure too.

There are no overheads to consider with FTTP.

Keen to get every last megabit if I can

Re: ONT to switch before router?

bmc — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:15:21 GMT

I'm on the "up to 38" package and consistently get around 36/37 download speeds on a wired connection.

Last time I checked my neighbours reported lower download speeds but were using WIFi (including Apples products!!!).

Brian

Re: ONT to switch before router?

RobPN — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:40:38 GMT

@MrMot wrote:

Gandalf seems to think I should see a little more than I am. The upload would suggest that the download should be closer to the 80Mbps figure too.

There are no overheads to consider with FTTP.

@MrMot

I think you'll find there are overheads which will probably vary in size according to protocol, e;g. TCP packet overheads.

As @RealAleMadrid alluded to, with overheads you'll get a maximum DL speed of about 76.xx Mbps on an 80 Mbps connection.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

edwh — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:38:07 GMT

There's an encryption overhead too so we don't see our "neighbours'" traffic!

http://sites.google.com/site/amitsciscozone/home/gpon/gpon-fundamentals

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:32:40 GMT

Just to add to this - it seems I have a band applied at 76.8Mbps. Is this usually the case or should it be the full 80? Upstream is the full 20..

For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 40 Mbps-76.8 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 76.8 Mbps

Re: ONT to switch before router?

RobPN — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 16:19:22 GMT

@MrMot wrote:

... it seems I have a band applied at 76.8Mbps. Is this usually the case or should it be the full 80?

For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 40 Mbps-76.8 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 76.8 Mbps

@MrMot

See here and here.

Re: ONT to switch before router?

MrMot — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:03:19 GMT

Ok, let me rephrase my question.

Given that the service is 80/20 which is what the IP profiles would be set to on an FTTC line, why does the same not apply to the FTTP lines?
Why is the upstream profile set to the full 20 and not the downstream.
Rather than just enjoy the line, I’d to get to know it’s workings too.

Should I expect a 300/30 line in the future to have a downstream profile of 280Mbps and upstream of 30Mbps?