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Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Fri, 21 Nov 2025 10:18:09 GMT

Hello checking around on the internet and I'm sad to see OpenReach have been using 1gig ONT boxes on installation which is rather sad indeed.

Does anyone know if they are now installing 2.5GbE ONT boxes on new installs? And/Or will BT Install a 2.5GbE one if you request it? Thanks.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Fri, 21 Nov 2025 11:20:22 GMT

Seems not since I've been looking around and even people on the 1.6 gig speeds are having clowns install 1GbE ONT's installed.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

pvmb — Fri, 21 Nov 2025 11:25:39 GMT

I don't know the answer to your question, however, Openreach seem to be planning to introduce even faster than 2.5GHz ONTs.

Openreach Summarises New ONTs for UK FTTP Broadband Lines UPDATE2 - ISPreview UK

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2025/06/openreach-summarises-new-onts-for-uk-fttp-broadband-lines.html

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Fri, 21 Nov 2025 14:06:43 GMT

I would hazard a guess that's for upcoming connection speed upgrades since we're very slow compared to EU standards.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Townman — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 11:22:37 GMT

@ItsAdam wrote:
we're very slow compared to EU standards.

That reads as more money wasted on things not needed in a domestic setting. What tangible benefits do these higher speeds as so much more cost really deliver?

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

dvorak — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 11:32:48 GMT

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Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

dvorak — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 11:35:27 GMT

@ItsAdam wrote:
I would hazard a guess that's for upcoming connection speed upgrades since we're very slow compared to EU standards.

Not sure what and 'EU standard is' but for median speed the UK is pretty much bang in the middle, faster than the likes of Germany, Italy and Belgium.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:50:54 GMT

Not really, not at all.
https://www.opensignal.com/2023/10/12/european-markets-show-significant-disparity-in-broadband-user-experience

The alt nets are the only ones being competitive in the UK.

Most of Europe are on a 1:1 contention ratio, upload speed is completely ignored in England for no good reason at all.

And I'm sorry but that kind of thinking is why we're among the worst.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 14:40:56 GMT

*In terms of upload speed.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Townman — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 21:23:38 GMT

That’s a meaningless set of stats from over two years ago. It does not examine the difference between availability and average deployment nor overlay actual need.

Why does a domestic residential setting need super fast upload? There’s the same sentiment here of folks wanting a car which can do zero to sixty in four seconds - because that’s seen as best performance - when there’s no need or opportunity to do zero to sixty that quick. It’s more about stroking egos.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 21:38:43 GMT

It has absolutely nothing to do with ego's at all. Anyone who streams or uploads files, such as sending videos to family and friends who are no longer in England it's rather important.

It's also idiotic when most of Europe is on a 1:1 Down/Up speed. My parents who now live in France in an old cottage in the middle of absolutely nowhere can get 4gig both ways, 1gig both ways or 500mbit both ways.

This is why the Altnets do the same. Also the car anology is incredibly poor, Comparing a vehicle that has speed limits by Law vs the Internet that does.

What it does is make file, video and photo sharing much quicker, and again as I said the US and EU and Asia all mostly* have symetrical speeds. Poland has had 1gig up and down for over 10 years.

It's worth noting my ex who's in an AltNet area now has the option for 7000mbit which is also 7000mbit upload.

It's also about perspective and what you do. 900mbit for me is already weak sauce in terms of speed, Virgin Media here is perma 1150mbit ,but I prefer upload speed and PlusNet offers 10mbit up more than Virgin does on Gig1. So there in itself your entire arguement is utterly wrong because I'm moving from a faster download for a quicker upload.

So don't comment about stroking Egos insinuating things about people you know nothing about, or their usage. Or for the internet for that matter. I'm not quite sure how you made it to "superuser" status being so aggresive on a Forum.... Talk about stroking egos' indeed.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Anonymous — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 22:25:09 GMT

Out of interest. How would you define "super fast upload"?

I'm looking at some upload stats on my connection. The data available to me indicates that the upload speed is intermittent.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Sat, 22 Nov 2025 22:38:04 GMT

Super fast to me would be 1gig+ upload.

But since altnets offer 2000 down and 2000 up for cheaper than Plusnets 900 package you have to ask yourself what BT is actually doing with all this money they're making.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Townman — Sun, 23 Nov 2025 11:52:09 GMT

So we are getting all hot under the collar about uploading / downloading a file in 2 minutes as opposed to say 8 minutes which will take 30 minutes to view? Yup your argument is indeed convincing. What will you do with the saved six minutes?

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Sun, 23 Nov 2025 12:07:42 GMT

Time is money, and the only one getting hot and annoyed seems to be you.

Life is too short to be sat waiting when you can pay and have one less thing to worry about. Would like to see you send 100GB of video to Family after a Birthday party on BT speeds compared to altnet 2gig up. Because you would really know what you're in about then.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Townman — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 08:59:45 GMT

You make the point really well - 14+ hours of 4k video to up load. Really is an every day need. True first world problems.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

ItsAdam — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 14:54:15 GMT

Why are you going out of your way to be a total ass?

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Townman — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 15:12:59 GMT

Ad hominem argument - that point when you cannot discuss the subject and chose to avoid genuine debate by attacking the person making a claim instead of the claim itself.

There is no real argument that those cited higher speeds in a domestic setting have real validity beyond the desire to have the fastest possible speed, just because one could if it were available. Time is money - all six minutes of it - is not really much of an argument to reflect a real need ... as opposed to a desire or want, for the sake of desire and want.

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

jab1 — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 15:19:08 GMT

@ItsAdam Just switch to an Altnet that can give you what you 'want'?

Re: Openreach ONT Boxes

Dan_the_Van — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:46:03 GMT

What needs to be considered here is what the connection is going to be used for.

Many of us now stream Films and TV Programs possible on more than one device at the same time.

Some play cloud games all this takes up both download and upload bandwidth, a slower connection would soon be saturated with the demand for data.

So the statement "There is no real argument that those cited higher speeds in a domestic setting have real validity beyond the desire to have the fastest possible speed" does not hold true anymore.

It's down to the individual what they think is required and not for me or anyone else to tell them otherwise.

Call it a difference of opinion rather than me being wrong.