topic Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned in Email

emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 06:18:12 GMT

This week after 10years without trouble all my emails to whoever@btinternet.com were retruned as suspected spam.

Their reply includes this

...... 15 or so addressees then
.....
\342\200\223 Your message looks like SPAM or has been reported as SPAM please read www.bt.com/postmaster
  jackxxxxxxx@btinternet.com
    SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
    host mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.49]: 554 Message rejected on 2019/03/05 12:07:46 GMT, policy (3.2.1.1) \342\200\223 Your message looks like SPAM or has been reported as SPAM please read www.bt.com/postmaster

------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

Return-path: <rotary@bscomputers.co.uk>
Received: from [82.71.7.225] (helo=[192.168.0.5])
	by smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128)
	(Exim 4.80)
	(envelope-from <rotary@bscomputers.co.uk>)
	id 1h18rE-0003bt-IZ; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:07:42 +0000
From: Rotary Club of Dunfermline <rotary@bscomputers.co.uk>
Subject: Weekly Meeting - 7th March - 17:45 for 18:00
To: Rotary Club of Dunfermline <rotary@bscomputers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4d815c4c-e805-ae4e-558d-286b395ea459@bscomputers.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:06:41 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
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The info in their suggested help page is obscure but refers to DMARC

Do I need to get some kind of certfication for my domain? Does Force9 need to get soemthing?

Moderator's note by Adie (Dvorak) redacted email link as it’s a public forum

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

Optimatts — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:53:24 GMT

Hi @BS6600, is it possible you can PM me:

The full error string
The non-deliverable report (NDR)
Email Headers
and the full body of the email, including any links, if you would be happy to provide this too?

Kind regards - Matt L

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 10:06:32 GMT

Matt,

Thanks. I can forward the email I sent out and/or the response from BT - is that enough.

I use thunderbird mail client. Does it offer more info that might help?

What I can't see is how to PM!

Bill

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

HarryB — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:51:37 GMT

Hi @BS6600,

You can drop me a PM Here

Copying the full email over including headers would be great, you can get the headers in thunderbird by clicking on the message then selecting View > Headers > All. (You can then change this back with View > Headers > Normal)

I hope this helps.

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:44:29 GMT

Thanks Harry - just done that, hope it helps

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 16:00:32 GMT

Hi Team,

In the interests of science I resent my email

First to one member@btinternet.com - no error reported by BT and received OK

Second to all 50 of the originals addressees - no error reported by BT and acknowledgements received from a couple. I did (by mistake) send them as CC not BCC as I usually do, but I guess that wouldn't matter.

If I were on the help desk, I'd say - "just a blip - keep an eye on it" so I suggest you say the same to me and next week we'll see.

Unless you want to pursue it I suggest we let it lie, next Tuesday I'll do my weekly newsletter and post an update and we may be able to close the thread.

Thanks anyway,

Bill

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

Jubby — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:28:46 GMT

No problem @BS6600,

I must admit that it will be difficult to diagnose the issue while it isn't occurring and @HarryB is currently out of office so I'm afraid that I don't have access to the information you sent him.

Let us know if you experience any further issues on Tuesday or before and if you do send me the same information as Harry so we can take a look.

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

HarryB — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 17:22:58 GMT

While I'm afraid I don't seem to have received a PM from you, if the issue is no longer occurring, it's unlikely we'd find any spam flags at this point to be honest if it's not longer rejecting with this so your suggesting sounds like the best option at this stage. If you do start to experience problems again moving forward, we'll be happy to try and help.

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:59:13 GMT

I just sent this week's mailshot and BTInternet.com rejected all of it's customers with the same message as last week.

I used BCC this time. last week with BCC it failed but with CC it worked.

Apart from text updates the message sent was similar to last week; I sent expanded version of my email and BTInternet's reply last week by PM

Bill

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

bobpullen — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:20:21 GMT

What SMTP server are you sending these messages through? There's an allusion in some of the info you've provided that it's a Zen SMTP server. If it is, then these rejections are outside of Plusnet's control.

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

totterdell — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:56:23 GMT

My emails to any @btinternet.com address are not being bounced. This started when sent a couple of blind copy emails to a group than included four @btinternet.com addresses.

How can this be resolved?

I have pasted one of the btinternet responses below. This was from a single email to a friend who has a btinternet.com email address as you can see.

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently:

* gw0etf@btinternet.com

Reason: A message that you sent to the following recipient could not be delivered due to a permanent error. ** The remote server ?? responded with: ** gw0etf@btinternet.com ??:?? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software on the server .

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

MatthewWheeler — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:54:55 GMT

I've not seen a delivery failure message like that before if I'm honest.

Are you able to use another e-mail service to try and e-mail that address to see if you get the same bounceback?

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:07:51 GMT

Thanks Matthew,

I have now received this from BTInternet

The domain" @bscomputers.co.uk " having no spf record.The traffic sent by such domain with no SPF record would be less.

An SPF record is required to increase the traffic limit.No SPF record results in rejecting the mails once the counter reached its limit.

but the domain holder should be made aware to modify their SPF records in-order to ensure timely delivery of mails.Kindly contact domain admin/email provider to set up a valid spf record.

I take that to mean I have exceeded the publicised limit of 50 addressees imposed by BTInternet.

Unfortunately you do not support SPF records on my type of domain registration so I can't play with that.

So I will chop my mailing list into two to get the numbers down.

Bill

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

RandallFlagg — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:03:43 GMT

Thanks for the update, Bill.

Good luck chopping down that list!

Anything else you need, just drop us a line.

Best wishes

Dave

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

BS6600 — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:52:46 GMT

Bob,

Sorry for slow reply. This problem appears to be caused by the absence an SPF record and Plusnet do not support that on my account.

Bill

Re: emails to btinternet.com being returned

cooltona — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:02:26 GMT

I have had a lot of this nonsense with BT customers and nobody else, with the same jargon-rich notification from BT as quoted above and no reply when i have emailed BT asking for explanation and/or advice after no help when phonong. It seems to happen with all three of my isps but I haven't checked all modes yet. Even subdividing the members-list down to 1 addressee with 2 ccs gets bounced. It definitely isn't limited to sending via relay.plus.net AND nobody without BT in their name is doing it.

It has actually prevented me from communicating with a third of our membership other than sending an individual message to each - no message with either cc or bcc gets through - NOT EVEN to the primary addressee (that ought to be a punishable offence). I am so angry that I would pay for a copy of a respected computer magazine in order to publicise this disgraceful treatment in the next issue.

So far I have been advised to set up a group of members as one addressee and I just noticed my us-based host has a format for doing that.

Before I try that, here are other points arising from the foregoing replies (1) - where did this limit of 50 addressees come from, who said and who agreed to that - what use is CC if it's arbitrarily limited? (2) - Not every community member knows a lot and it would be a good idea for contributors to define every abbreviation she/he uses. ISP = internet service provider (3) what is SPF?