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Banned users cannot read forums

jelv — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:58:01 GMT

These forums can be read by absolutely anyone, Plusnet user or not. Banned users apparently cannot even read the forums which seems totally illogical (especially if they could circumvent this by use of a proxy) so I'm guessing that this is a mistake which needs correcting.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:00:44 GMT

Wouldn't it be logical of the banned user to simply log out and view that way?
The way the forum is set up is probably to block all viewing of the forum by the Banned group by default. Does seem rather pointless though if its open to all.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

Ianwild — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:44:22 GMT

Mike is right - As I understand it from a quick read on the SMF forums, a banned user can't access the forum while logged in, but should still be able to log out. This isn't something we can recode, so the answer for someone affected is to logout if they wish to continue to read the forums.
Ian

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:20:17 GMT

There should be an option somewhere within the admin section of the forum which sets permissions for each designated group.
I've not got SMF installed so couldn't tell you off hand, but I've got it installing as I'm posting this, so will be able to have a better look soon

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:58:19 GMT

Easiest way is to change the Restriction on the bans from "Full ban" to "Partial ban" and select "Cannot post" - that stops any message creation (including private messages), but allows them to use the forum in a read-only mode.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

jelv — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:59:21 GMT

From what Mike has said this is just a procedural change. So can you do this? Full ban is ludicrous when they can log out and read everything anyway.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:59:12 GMT

That's quite odd. Which options were set on the test account? I've set:
Restriction: Partial Ban (only Cannot Post checked)
Trigger: Ban on Username.
And the ban only effects the banned username.

jelv: It should simply be a case of editing the full ban code and changing it with the partial ban cannot post code, but then this could cause problems when they come to upgrading the forums because if that file is changed in an upgrade, then it will revert back to a "regular" Full ban rather than the "custom" Full ban.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

Assos — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:49:02 GMT

ah, but I read somewhere that removing posting rights also removes a users ability to PM, therefore we wouldn't be able to recieve the standard agreement to the rules via PM from users with suspended posting rights before the rights are reinstated.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:55:23 GMT

Yes that's right, because personal messages are dealt with the same way as posts are on the system. Without some serious messing about with the internal structure of SMF, I don't see it possible to say "yes to personal messages, no to all other posts".
Really at the end of the day you have to see it like this: The user is banned from the forum, why allow them to continue posting (albheit personal messages)? It could be opened up to abuse spamming people with messages simply because they got banned and are holding a vendetta against certain people.
My 2c on it

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

jelv — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:46:37 GMT

Two questions:
1. Has the lunacy of banned people being unable to read the forums whilst every Tom, Dick and Harry from here to Timbuktu can read the forums been corrected?
2. Could one of the moderating team confirm that when a person is banned the terms of the ban are made clear, specifically how long the initial ban is for and the conditions under which it will be lifted.
If people are being banned I hope that it is being done correctly. Some time ago I was banned from the ADSLGuide forums and the first I knew of it was when I tried to make a post which I thought was pretty shabby. However on the positive side I was still able to read the forums.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

MikeWhitehead — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:13:07 GMT

Quote from: jelv
If people are being banned I hope that it is being done correctly. Some time ago I was banned from the ADSLGuide forums and the first I knew of it was when I tried to make a post which I thought was pretty shabby. However on the positive side I was still able to read the forums.

I know that, at least on here, if you are banned then as soon as you log in you are prompted with a "you are banned" style message. Also I don't think you even get the chance to create a topic, etc.

Re: Banned users cannot read forums

Assos — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:56:37 GMT

Quote from: jelv
Two questions:
1. Has the lunacy of banned people being unable to read the forums whilst every Tom, Dick and Harry from here to Timbuktu can read the forums been corrected?

I have just checked the permissions set up in SMF and corrected them, so yes.

Quote from: jelv
2. Could one of the moderating team confirm that when a person is banned the terms of the ban are made clear, specifically how long the initial ban is for and the conditions under which it will be lifted.

Yes, when a user has their posting rights suspended, an email is sent to the address recorded in the forum software, outlining the length of the ban, the reason for the ban and asking them to agree to the forum rules if they wish to regain access once the ban period is up as well as any other relevant information that may vary depending upon the exact circumstances.