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Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:57:28 GMT

Saw this https://community.plus.net/t5/Fibre-Broadband/Hardwiring-in-another-room/m-p/1458431#M62395 and my first reaction was why had the quote been removed as it was the first post on a new page then I realised that the number of posts per page is a user set variable

Linear Format: Posts per page when viewing a topic

So perhaps this rule needs looking at

Quotes are a useful way of showing which post/partial post you are replying to.

You should not quote a full post unless; (i)It’s not the post immediately prior to your reply or (ii)Your post is the first on a new page

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

MauriceC — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:21:55 GMT

Your point (ii) will make the change difficult though @Oldjim as by definition it may be different for each user?

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Mav — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:25:20 GMT

I wonder how many members have actually changed that setting?

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:26:07 GMT

the part in bold is in the existing rule which as you say is practically unusable

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Mav — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:30:38 GMT

Not sure how this can be circumnavigated.

I would hate to see the removal of this rule so perhaps the 'new page' part should be removed... after all, it isn't too difficult to click on the previous page icon when and if necessary?

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:37:15 GMT

that is what I am suggesting - or thought I was

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

MauriceC — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:40:52 GMT

@Mav said:

I wonder how many members have actually changed that setting?

Well me for one. Mine got set at 50 soon after launch.

Mav wrote:
I would hate to see the removal of this rule so perhaps the 'new page' part should be removed...

Pragmatic and practical. Should make the Mods life easier

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Mav — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:43:01 GMT

Pragmatic and practical maybe - can't see it making things easier, though

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:52:57 GMT

except when a poster complains about a quote being removed as it wasn't against the rule and in the case of the post I referred to in the opening post my first thought was "why has it been removed"

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Strat — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:54:57 GMT

When quoting posts you should not quote the preceding post in full if both posts are on the same page.

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:08:48 GMT

Dick

You are missing the point

As the number of posts per page is a user set value then a poster may post with a quote in accordance with the rule but then a mod removes the quote because with his setting it is on the same page

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

MauriceC — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:57 GMT

I'm on the same page as @Oldjim

User A: Default posts per page.

User B: 35 posts per page

User C: (Me) 50 posts per page.

Which setting do you base your moderation on?

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

jelv — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:50:05 GMT

I'm on the same page as @Oldjim

User A: Default posts per page.

User B: 35 posts per page

User C: (Me) 50 posts per page.

Which setting do you base your moderation on?

M

Surely it must be based on the setting of the user making the post as it would be unfair to penalise them for something they are not aware of.

Moderator's note by Mike (Mav): Full quote of preceding post removed as per Forum rules.

Edit: Quote re-inserted as it is the first post on a new page as shown in the attachment to the following post and therefore in accordance with forum rules.

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

jelv — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:46:48 GMT

Note to moderators: Do NOT remove the quote from the previous post as it is the first post on a new page as shown by the attached screen shot.

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

MauriceC — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:49:32 GMT

@jelv wrote:

Surely it must be based on the setting of the user making the post as it would be unfair to penalise them for something they are not aware of.

Ah! But the moderator is unaware of the Users setting, so has to base the decision on their setting - and each mod may well have different 'posts per page'. Catch 22

E.g. Your post is #13 on my page.

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Oldjim — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:52:12 GMT

Going back to the link in the opening post https://community.plus.net/t5/Fibre-Broadband/Hardwiring-in-another-room/m-p/1458431#M62395

Perhaps @Anonymous can comment

This is what I see

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

Mav — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:50:30 GMT

@jelv

Ironically I have removed it for the very reason that @MauriceC mentions.

We are looking at how we can cover this within the rules.

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

jelv — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:52:25 GMT

It's no 13 for me too but is the first on a new page - I'd reduced the number per page a little for when I am using my laptop away from home via mobile dongle (£5 for 500MB PAYG from iDMobile).

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

jelv — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:58:38 GMT

It's unworkable - there are only two solutions:

Remove the ability of users to change the number of posts per page and set everyone's back to the default.
Remove that part of the rule. As has been pointed out it is easy for someone to go back a page.

There is another possibility - delete the exception for the first post on the page and the moderators replace ALL full quotes of the preceding post with "Re post #12" - or "Re preceding post" .

Re: Forum Rules re Quotes doesn't quite work

MauriceC — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:00:19 GMT

See post #7