topic Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought in Broadband

ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

SwiftianSatire — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 10:28:40 GMT

I am moving from ADSL (PlusNet Broadband) to Fibre (Not Full Fibre).

I currently have a tp-link Archer AX55 router attached to a PlusNet Hub One with the wireless switched off.

The Hub One gives the AX55 its IP address and the AX55 hands out IP addresses to the rest of my wired and wireless devices.

When the Hub Two arrives next week, should I

A) Turn off its wireless or

B) Put it into bridge mode?

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

bmc — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 10:50:08 GMT

@SwiftianSatire

If you have a Hub1 it'll work on FTTC. As you don't plan on using it for WiFi why not leave the Hub2 in its box as a back up.

Brian

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Dan_the_Van — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 11:00:04 GMT

@SwiftianSatire

If you're happy with the two devices then I suggest putting the Hub two into bridge mode and the AX55 WAN connection to use PPPoE. The AX55 connections to any of the LAN port NOT the WAN of the Hub two.

This will remove any double NAT you currently have.

HTH

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Mustrum — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 11:03:02 GMT

Strictly speaking, the way you have it set up creates double NAT issues, so from a technical point, having the Hub2 in bridge mode and changing your own router to use PPOE and your username and password is a better technical solution.

That said, as above, if you are not getting issues leave it as is and carry on.

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Baldrick1 — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 11:04:17 GMT

@Dan_the_Van

I was just about to type exactly the same!

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

SwiftianSatire — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 08:08:46 GMT

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

If I put the Hub Two into bridge mode, will the DHCP server still work?

I was told that if the DHCP server was turned off, the IP address of the Archer AX55 would expire.

Also, presumably, using PPOE, I enter the current Archer AX55 local network IP address (192.168.1.68) ?

And the DNS as the Hub Two IP address (currenlty the Hub One 192.168.1.254)?

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Dan_the_Van — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 08:20:44 GMT

When you enable bridge mode you will get this message

Enabling Bridge mode means Routing, NAT, DHCP Server and Local DNS will be disabled.

The Plusnet Hub will only act as a modem.

For the AX55 when you select PPPoE in the WAN settings for the connection mode you will see a broadband username and password prompts. The connection between the Hub Two and the AX55 does not have an IP Address

HTH

EDIT: The settings is likely be found in >Advanced >System >Internet

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

SwiftianSatire — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 09:38:07 GMT

Thank you for this, Dan.

@Dan_the_Van wrote:

The connection between the Hub Two and the AX55 does not have an IP Address

Yes, now I look again, I can see that the IP address and DNS are not editable fields, merely text thus:-

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Dan_the_Van — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 09:49:10 GMT

@SwiftianSatire

Once setup in bridge mode everything is turned off from the point of view of settings.

You can still look at the technical log information but you need a standalone PC (not connected to your LAN) with a wired connection.

Setup a wired connection with an IP Address in the the network range of 192.168.1.1 to 253 with a mask of 255.255.255.0

No default gateway or DNS IP address is required. You connect the PC to a free LAN port (NOT WAN) of the Hub two

You connect to the Hub using the normal method http://192.168.1.254

Note, the Hub in bridge mode does not have a connection to a time server so the date/time will be out.

Happy to answer any further questions

Dan.

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

SwiftianSatire — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 10:32:24 GMT

@Dan_the_Van wrote:

@SwiftianSatire

Once setup in bridge mode everything is turned off from the point of view of settings.

Happy to answer any further questions

Dan.

Hhmm...I might stick with the Hub Two in 'normal' mode.

How do any double NAT problems manifest themselves?

Where would any error messages appear?

Re: ADSL to Fibre - Hub Two Advice Sought

Dan_the_Van — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 10:42:32 GMT

Double NAT is explained here, https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-double-NAT-and-why-is-it-bad but seeing's you're currently not getting any issues it might not be an issue to you.

Dan

Edit: I wouldn't be concerned about the Hub Two features as they are of little importance when you use the AX55 as your main connection point.