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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 6:22 AM
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Quote from: Terranova667 i'm wondering why Bob and interzoom are not seeing any change and the likes of 11110_110 and andy265 are there must be reason for it, pretty much all that changed to Huawei saw change and for the better, but that doesn't seem to be the case here, are all using the BTO ECI modem or are some using a different ECI based modem ?
I'm using a Home Hub Type A.
I heard rumour late yesterday that some circuits were still yet to be done which probably explains it. Anyway, I've woke up this morning to this:
So latency back to pretty much normal levels (ignore the apparent flakiness, it's a Raspberry Pi handling the ping responses), and sync has increased to ~100kbps shy of what I'd normally expect.
Pings before this morning:
>ping -t google.com
Pinging google.com [74.125.71.139] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=46
Reply from 74.125.71.139: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 74.125.71.139:
Packets: Sent = 25, Received = 25, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 32ms, Average = 30ms
And after:
>ping google.com -t
Pinging google.com [216.58.210.14] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Reply from 216.58.210.14: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Ping statistics for 216.58.210.14:
Packets: Sent = 25, Received = 25, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 14ms
Speedtests before:
And after:
I'm going to try a reboot shortly to see if the downstream sync will negotiate any higher, but all in all I'd say that's a fairly positive outcome
Edit: Changed TBB monitor to snapshot graph so that the image remains in context with the post (I'd originally used the live graph).
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 6:30 AM
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 7:34 AM
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The only issues I witnessed were a slight reduction in sync speed and a two fold increase in latency. Now Openreach have applied the trial conditions to my line and reinstated fast path on the upstream, things have almost returned to normal.
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 7:37 AM
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 7:51 AM
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Assuming the trial is successful, would the settings be applied to each line that needs them automatically or on one by one basis, ie on request?
What would happen if I stop using my ECI modem and start using HG612 or Billion 8800NL, would the original default settings be reapplied again, on request, or the system would be making automatic adjustments? Or indeed no adjustments would be needed?
Any ideas?
Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 9:56 AM
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@jamesanstee the Trial started a couple of days a ago it's to late to be put on it, that said not everyone that asked to to do the trial got on it.
@alext05 no one knows that answer yet, I guess BTO has some idea based on how the trial works out, If it does go well and BTO roll it out network wide then I would guess that maybe those that use ECI modems would request for the profile to be enabled on their line via the ISP.
I wouldn't have thought they would just add it to every line seeing as Huawei users have no issues but who knows.
Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 10:11 AM
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Quote from: Terranova667 @bob Pullen, thanks for that it does look good, maybe Interzoom has now seen change as he was the other like yourself.
Nope.
They must have put me on the placebo!
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 11:07 AM
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 11:15 AM
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Quote from: InterZoom They must have put me on the placebo!
Quote from: alext05 What would happen if I stop using my ECI modem and start using HG612 or Billion 8800NL, would the original default settings be reapplied again, on request, or the system would be making automatic adjustments? Or indeed no adjustments would be needed?
Good question. I have a router with a Broadcom chipset at home so can easily test this. It is just a trial at the moment though, so whatever my findings, there's no guarantee it will be reflective of what will happen when (if?) Openreach roll the profile to the rest of the FTTC estate.
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 11:35 AM
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15-05-2015 11:45 AM
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Quote from: Bob I'm going to try a reboot shortly to see if the downstream sync will negotiate any higher, but all in all I'd say that's a fairly positive outcome
Reboot's not made a difference. Sync remains at 79906kbps. Doesn't make any real-world difference to me but worth noting as sticking upstream ReTX compatible kit back on the line will no doubt see that return to 79999kbps.
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 11:57 AM
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 12:55 PM
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Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 2:42 PM
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Quote from: Bob
Quote from: alext05 What would happen if I stop using my ECI modem and start using HG612 or Billion 8800NL, would the original default settings be reapplied again, on request, or the system would be making automatic adjustments? Or indeed no adjustments would be needed?
Good question. I have a router with a Broadcom chipset at home so can easily test this. It is just a trial at the moment though, so whatever my findings, there's no guarantee it will be reflective of what will happen when (if?) Openreach roll the profile to the rest of the FTTC estate.
But those of us with G.INP who have had no issue since ditching the ECI modems would not need it applied, surely it must be enabled on a case by case request basis ? G.INP does work, but sadly most people have incompatible equipment for it, and to just roll it back would be a step back in progress. Its good to see they are considering this option for people, but I still don't see why either openreach or the ISP cant just sell the end user a discounted modem/router combo that works with retransmission. Why would openreach reverse all lines when those of us who went out and got compatible kit are having no issues with retransmission ?
Re: G.INP
15-05-2015 3:05 PM
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