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« Reply #880 on 22/02/2009, 19:37 »
What I can't understand is that three to four years ago the majority of customers joining broadband ISPs were new customers but now they are mainly migrating and do not need a router or a new connection so are bound to feel a 12 or 18 month contract is not justified.  The insistence on 18 months seems to be pure dogma as though people can be conned in to it because it also exists for subsidised contract phones, even though there is an economic justification for the former, when expensive handsets are bundled free of charge, but no justification for the latter.  Obviously if people get initial months at half price then again the lock-in may be justified but the ISPs should offer an option to forgo the free months in return for only having to give one month's notice to leave.

The 18 month contract in terms of new customers has been explained previously, a lot of people need new activations etc, and I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who do need hardware.

Our most successful offer in recent months was for a free wireless router on our BBYW products.
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« Reply #881 on 22/02/2009, 19:46 »
 I feel sorry for Mand who has fielded this onslaught single-handedly.  Hope she's having a well earned rest this weekend.  As you say, management could have shown their face and taken some of the pressure off her.
I'm certain that Mand is a real person, but was it her all the time or someone else using her account - so it looked consistent - because she was on all day practically for four days - and some evening and this morning ?. If it really was her all the time in person - she did exceptionally well.

Was she on her own - I guess not - if I had been a product manager there - I would have set up a special conference room - just to cope with this work and had back up to support the person on the keyboard, including myself and other senior staff - even if we didn't touch the keyboard..

I've never done a product launch over the internet - but in events where customers are in a conference room, at an exhibition or at HQ  there was a big team of us, and the event led by either the Managing or marketing/sales directors - and when they didn't know the answer to the question - they asked the product managers. One memorable occasion like that we had about 10 Chief Constables in the audience and goodness knows how many Superintendents & Inspectors and civil support staff. That was an awe sum experience. 



I am a real person honest! Smiley

And it was me all the time, and still is Cheesy, along with Chris for the first couple of days.

I've obviously had support from my team, our products department and the management team, but there wasn't much point all of us Comms guys hanging around the forums, we do have other things to do as part of our day to day role.
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« Reply #882 on 22/02/2009, 19:47 »
Mand - in this context  does restricted mean that you can only go to the portal to add new bandwidth or can you still browse at 128kbps

Restrictions mean that you'd be directed to the portal, and asked whether you want to remain restricted or add extra usage.
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« Reply #883 on 22/02/2009, 19:48 »
Plusnet have been adding more capacity recently.  Thing is, do they plan to keep adding capacity through the next year or two, if the influx of new subscribers accelerates as they expect?   ie, in short, will the pipes become more/over congested?

In short yes. We've re-evaluated our forecasting, and will increase bandwidth in line with customer numbers and network performance.
« Reply #884 on 22/02/2009, 19:52 »
In short yes. We've re-evaluated our forecasting, and will increase bandwidth in line with customer numbers and network performance.

How much will BT have a say in that?
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« Reply #885 on 22/02/2009, 19:54 »
Mand - in this context  does restricted mean that you can only go to the portal to add new bandwidth or can you still browse at 128kbps

Restrictions mean that you'd be directed to the portal, and asked whether you want to remain restricted or add extra usage.

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« Reply #886 on 22/02/2009, 20:16 »
Our most successful offer in recent months was for a free wireless router on our BBYW products.

Plus a good chunk of the routers as supplied by PN in the past are probably due a refresh. If PN were to offer a deal including a decent VOIP + 802.11n router (say something like a top end Billion or a Thomson TG787n) then I'd certainly be interested in signing up for a new contract, although definitely not for one of >12 months!

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« Reply #887 on 22/02/2009, 20:21 »
I took a 12 month contract when PN offered £3 a month reduction.  I don't mind 12 but not 18 months. Sad
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« Reply #888 on 22/02/2009, 20:27 »
All the new products have an 18 month contract as default. Obviously that's where most of the negative feedback has originated in this thread, and that has been passed on to the rest of the business.

I can see the reason behind the 18 month contract for new customers, but to ask existing customers to sign up for another 18 months is stupid.

You may be passing it on to the rest of the business, but do they actually listen?
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« Reply #889 on 22/02/2009, 20:30 »
Why is extra bandwidth only available in 2Gbs now and why has the price increased?

The price is comparable to the BBYW additional usage pricing (before the marginal VAT decrease anyway, it was rounded up to £1 per GB for simplicity). Most customers who buy additional usage buy more than 1GB, so I can't see this being too big an issue.

That's not entirely true. People who use BBYW2-4 and pre-purchase extra GB only pay £0.75 per extra GB.

If you are giving extra bandwidth to the BBYW3 as unlimited, why not give Pro users an improvement to 20Gb?

I'm not sure what the question is here, we haven't made any changes to any of the BBYW products?

I believe what Galdere is saying is that Plusnet 'Unlimited' effectively replaces BBYW3 but with extra bandwidth (although it does also include more stringent traffic management), hence the hypothesis that perhaps Plusnet Pro could see some more bandwidth included too.
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« Reply #890 on 22/02/2009, 20:39 »
Thanks for answering my questions Mand.

I'll just come back on one of them please, the extra bandwidth.

It is unnecessary to charge by every 2Gb imho. I am on Pro, but I imagine it would hurt those on Value more.

If the price has to go up (from 73p/98p) then any change in the bandwidth amounts would be preferable per 100mb than 2gb for obvious reasons.

To double to 2gb is making more money off what people dont want to use.

It's those sort of tactics that people don't want to associate with PN (like 18 month contracts for existing users and fake unlimited with the consequences of that)

I'm willing to pay for a good service. I just don't want to pay extra for what I've been forced to take unnecessarily, and it would not be "Your Way" for me, it is "Our Way" for PN.
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« Reply #891 on 22/02/2009, 20:48 »
You may be passing it on to the rest of the business, but do they actually listen?

Anyone who knows me knows it's extremely hard to not listen to me when I have something to say. Wink

The feedback we are giving back is passed to various people, at every level of the business right up to the CEO, and I can assure you we've passed all the feedback on given so far.
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« Reply #892 on 22/02/2009, 20:58 »
That's not entirely true. People who use BBYW2-4 and pre-purchase extra GB only pay £0.75 per extra GB.

You're correct in terms of pre-paid usage. The new products don't have any pre-paid usage, and the price for additional usage is comparable to post-pay usage on BBYW.

I believe what Galdere is saying is that Plusnet 'Unlimited' effectively replaces BBYW3 but with extra bandwidth (although it does also include more stringent traffic management), hence the hypothesis that perhaps Plusnet Pro could see some more bandwidth included too.

The Unlimited product sits between BBYW 2 and 3 in terms of experience. Pro is a different proposition as all the traffic is prioritised. The usage allowance on Pro was considered as part of the refresh, but there isn't the scope within the pricing for a substantial increase.
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« Reply #893 on 22/02/2009, 21:00 »
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« Reply #894 on 22/02/2009, 21:03 »
Thanks for answering my questions Mand.

I'll just come back on one of them please, the extra bandwidth.

It is unnecessary to charge by every 2Gb imho. I am on Pro, but I imagine it would hurt those on Value more.

If the price has to go up (from 73p/98p) then any change in the bandwidth amounts would be preferable per 100mb than 2gb for obvious reasons.

To double to 2gb is making more money off what people dont want to use.

I can see your issue there, particularly if you're close to your billing date when you run out of your normal usage.

I will say that most people who used additional usage on BBYW used more than 1GB, and the old products prior to BBYW had additional usage added in 2GB blocks though.

« Reply #895 on 22/02/2009, 21:04 »
The usage allowance on Pro was considered as part of the refresh, but there isn't the scope within the pricing for a substantial increase.

There might have been more room for options with Pro, if you hadn't gone down this silly M3-M1 exchange price differentiation route.  I would certainly consider extending my contract term from 1 month if my Pro package usage was increased.  At present though, I'm not changing a thing.

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