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Changing WPA key on Thomson 585v7 Wireless Router

« on 15/01/2009, 11:16 »
Sorry if this seems a bit novice but im totally new to wireless networks

1. How do i change my WPA key to something stronger and how often should i change it?
2. Is the Thomson 585v7 WPA encrypion 64, 128, 256 or 504bit?


ive found a WPA key generator at http://www.broadbandchoic...-generator.html#Generator

Thanks a lot for any replies
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« Reply #1 on 15/01/2009, 14:58 »
I had a spot of bother finding that one as well, you need to open up the wirless network from the menu on the left and then hit the tiny configure link in the top right to get to where you set the security and stuff.  You can choose what level of encryption it uses as well as the type.  if no one fills in more details I'll cover all the basses once I get back in the house and can access my routers admin.

I would have to recomend against using random wpa key generators, you are much better off using a phrase you can remember and switching in special characters for some of the letters.  wpa is strong enough that BruteForce attacks aint worth it, so there is no need for anything as cryptic as a random key (just don't go making it your name or anything like that).  That said there is no need to use random keys for wep either, since the back door on that one is wide enough to walk an elephant through and anyone with half a mind can get access to your network with next to no effort at all, regardless of how cryptic you make your key.
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« Reply #2 on 15/01/2009, 17:14 »
Thanks a lot

youre help is appreciated.
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« Reply #3 on 15/01/2009, 17:48 »
I've set up two of these routers and in both cases they were preconfigured to WPA-PSK and the key was also preset (it was provided on a note within the box that the router came in).
It seemed reasonably strong to me in that it contained random letters and numbers so I left it as it was. Don't know if this was correct, however.
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« Reply #4 on 15/01/2009, 18:07 »
Since the code is printed on the bottom of the router, it's fairly easy to crack!

BTW I'd like to know why "Administrator" is only allowed limited functionality on this model of router.  Sad Sad


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« Reply #5 on 15/01/2009, 19:30 »
Wierd, Admin and User give full access
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« Reply #6 on 15/01/2009, 20:12 »
OK, here we go, the long version.

First, we log into the router using an administrator level account and select "Home Network" from the left hand side
Now click on the link under Wirless, next to the Pylon type thing.
You are now on the screen with the evasive "configure" link in the top right corner tucked between Details and Help, click this and your where you want to be.

There, that should cover all the bases.
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« Reply #7 on 16/01/2009, 15:58 »
Here is the very long bit  Smiley
Try Telnet to the router,
mlp role list
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Role                 Parent               Description                        
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Administrator        TechnicalSupport     Any service and any access from LAN/Local origin only
LAN_Admin            Administrator        Only LAN related configurations from any Channel/Origin
PowerUser            Administrator        GUI(Service/overview page)via http/https from LAN origin
root                 -                    The superuser                     
SuperUser            root                 Any service and any access from LAN/WAN/LOCAL
TechnicalSupport     SuperUser            Any service and any channels from WAN
User                 PowerUser            GUI(Overview pages, remote assistance) via HTTP/HTTPS from LAN
WAN_Admin            Administrator        Only WAN related configurations from any Channels/Origin


mlp privilege list
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Privilege            type      Description                                  
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
anyaccess            access    All access privileges granted               
anyservice           service   All service privileges granted               
AP1                  access    LAN_Local_all                               
AP2                  access    LAN_Local with all secured channels         
AP3                  access    WAN from a secure HTTP                       
AP4                  access    LAN from all channels except telnet         
AP5                  access    LAN from all secured channels except telnet 
AP6                  access    All origins_noHTTP                           
AP7                  access    All origins_from all secured channels no http
AP8                  access    WAN from all channels                       
AP9                  access    LAN from a HTTP/HTTPS                       
SP1                  service   Limited_Read                                 
SP10                 service   Simple_network_debugging                     
SP11                 service   Advance_Network_debugging                   
SP12                 service   User_admin                                   
SP13                 service   MLP_Admin                                   
SP14                 service   Backup & Restore                             
SP15                 service   CLI mngt Interface only                     
SP16                 service   CGI mngt Interface only                     
SP17                 service   FTP mngt Interface only                     
SP18                 service   reset to factory defaults                   
SP19                 service   advance cgi                                 
SP2                  service   detailed_Read                               
SP3                  service   Write_to_LAN                                 
SP4                  service   Write_FWD_RT_normal_FW_cfgs                 
SP5                  service   cooperative_cfgs                             
SP6                  service   Remote Configurations                       
SP7                  service   Advanced sink & source FW                   
SP8                  service   Write_to_U_Connection                       
SP9                  service   Write_to_Local                               

So what's all this about?
Seems like the WAN side has more privileges than poor old Administrator.

I don't fancy doing the root reset procedure on the router.
I might get locked out by all that security.  Cry Cry


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« Reply #8 on 19/01/2009, 19:27 »
I'm sure I'll get jumped all over if i'm wrong about this, but that looks right for the facilities that the router offer.  Remember PN were such huge fans of these things because it let them play about with the router and get information withought them having to "bother" us.  I'm fairly sure that the "any service" relaits mainly, although probably not exclusivly, to diagnostic reports and procedures that would be of little use to your average end user, but can help PN Tech Support diagnose what's up easier.  Although I don't agree with the fact that we don't get access to it at all.  I think that there should be the inclusion for those who do know, and have enough savie not to [Censored] things up to be abble to access the features as well.
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« Reply #9 on 19/01/2009, 21:18 »
I believe Thomson applied all this security to stop programs like DMT from working properly.
I don't know their name but I've seen allusions that this was due to complaints from a
"British ISP" - the name is never mentioned.

I hope PlusNet are innocent.  Cheesy


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« Reply #10 on 19/01/2009, 22:02 »
I would have to assume that they are, since I signed up just as they were getting the tommie's in (hence why they botched sending me my router, the system didn't catch all the pending deliveries) and when I spoke to the guys at tech support the day it finaly arrived, they didn't have a clue about how they worked Grin All they knew was that in certain circumstances these routers were supposedly going to make there life easier.  Not realy the information I was looking for when I phoned them up to ask the very same question that the OP asked in this thread Grin Grin


To comment though, the guy I spoke to did take time out and played with the router, then called me back about an hour later with the answer to my question.  So absoloutly no fault with the service, find me another company who would do that for you, sure as [Censored] not BT anyways Wink
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« Reply #11 on 19/01/2009, 22:27 »
OK, here we go, the long version.

First, we log into the router using an administrator level account and select "Home Network" from the left hand side
Now click on the link under Wirless, next to the Pylon type thing.
You are now on the screen with the evasive "configure" link in the top right corner tucked between Details and Help, click this and your where you want to be.

There, that should cover all the bases.

Actually, I've just gone into that configure screen and discovered that the wireless channel was set to automatic (for me it had chosen channel 11).
Since nobody nearby uses channel 1, I changed the auto to manual and chose channel 1.
Result!
Improved wireless performance!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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« Reply #12 on 19/01/2009, 22:29 »
sweet Grin
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