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18-04-2012 10:32 PM
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Phoned Plusnet tonight to see what filter options they could offer and was told they couldn't help. The best they could do was to refer me to the McAfee website. Am I the only person disappointed by Plusnet's failure to offer any useful filters to block online porn? I really think a firm which rightly places such an emphasis on customer service needs to do more to tackle this issue.....
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18-04-2012 10:54 PM
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Who are Plusnet to be the arbiters what is and is not acceptable? No I don't thin Plusnet should be doing anything, I don't want my internet censored, if you do, do it yourself, its easy enough.
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18-04-2012 11:01 PM
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18-04-2012 11:22 PM
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It is commendable that you wish to keep your children safe online. Were mine still living here, I would feel the same.
However, I don't believe that any responsibility should be with the ISP - it's their job to provide whatever their customers want - not what they think they should be allowed.
It's disappointing that MPs once again are trying to make ISPs arbiters of taste.
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18-04-2012 11:38 PM
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Quote from: AdamW Just reading about Parliamentary report published today on the need for ISPs to do more to help parents protect their children from online porn, suicide sites, pro-anorexia sites etc.
Phoned Plusnet tonight to see what filter options they could offer and was told they couldn't help.
that’s what parents are for, not ISPs or governments
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19-04-2012 12:03 AM
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A machine can't do it all for you.
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Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 12:13 AM
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19-04-2012 12:57 AM
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It isn't an ISP's job to police peoples children though, it's parental responsibility. I laugh and sigh at the same time when I read about parents being shocked at what their children are up to when they allow them to have a PC with a webcam in their bedroom. I don't have kids, but if I did they wouldn't be allowed a computer in their bedroom, and especially not a webcam, they would have access to a computer where I could look over my shoulder and see what they are doing on the computer.
Just remember, kids are smart, they are very smart, your ISP sets up a filter so you think you're safe and let them use a PC where you can't watch? 100% positive that they will get around the ISP's filter, they would even figure out a way to get past any software you have on the PC itself to restrict their access (OpenDNS above, great in theory, kids will just change the DNS settings in the OS).
There was a TV show on a fair while ago showing what kids actually watch on their PC's, the PC's were taken away for forensic examination and then the parents were taken to a room and shown some of the stuff their kids were watching, I say some of the stuff because quite a lot of it was illegal in the UK, the parents were naturally shocked, I was shocked at the parents letting their kids have the kind of access to a PC so they could watch it!
So yeah, looking after your kids on the internet is a parents responsibility, throwing the blame elsewhere is a slippery rope, you install software which blocks content, the kids get around it (as they will, usually by searching the internet for ways around it....) the blame will be stuck on the people who make the software, or the ISP or the router or... anything but the parents.
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19-04-2012 7:06 AM
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We have all their computers and consoles setup in the dining room, and nothing connected to the internet allowed in their bedrooms, so we can keep a watchful eye on what is going on, and using OpenDNS is a very good first line of defense.
The problem I have is that the majority of their friends do NOT have responsible parents, and let their kids do anything without limitation.
Last year in my daughter's primary school, the teacher asked the class (of 7 year olds) how many children -
q1) regularly watch YouTube ?
q2) had a Facebook account of their own - i.e. not borrowing mummy's account ?
q3) owned console games with 16 or 18 rating ?
a1) Apparently it was ONLY my daughter that was blocked from YouTube, despite the terms saying the content is unsuitable for under 13 year olds.
a2) Around 70% of the children had their own Facebook accounts, where again the requirement is to be 13 years old.
a3) About 40% owned these games, but many more had easy access to the games - either from parents or siblings.
When my son was 9, he used to regularly visit friends, and after a while it became apparent that the boys were watching porn on the internet - with the full knowledge of the parent !.
Even now my son is 11, he will ask can I visit (almost any of) his friends at the weekend ?
I will ask - "yes that will be nice, what will you be doing ?"
Invariably the answer will be "My friend has just got 'Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3' for his birthday, and all our friends will be there"
As a parent what can you do when the significant majority of your child's friends have ignorant and irresponsible parents who allow unrestricted internet access, and buy their child games with adult ratings for their birthday ?"
Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 8:53 AM
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If you'd like to have control over what your children can access on the Internet then you can do this with Plusnet Protect. https://www.plus.net/support/security/spam/plusnet_protect.shtml
It has parental controls which allow you to set access restrictions along with other settings, take a look here for more info: https://www.plus.net/support/security/spam/plusnet_protect_user_guide.shtml#parentalcontrolfeatures
Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 8:59 AM
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Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 9:52 AM
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Some better routers offer content screening but, again, the lists can seem pretty arbitrary and some require a paid subscription to keep up to date, options such as blacklisting can be limited and whitelisting tends to be over-restrictive for most though that may be the best option for younger children.
I assume that DNS based services can be bypassed if IP addresses are known?
The PlusNet protect seems to offer some decent options, particularly defining the age range but sometimes kids can & will find a way of disabling software, changing settings or logging in as another user.
I'm also surprised by the number of 11 year-olds, for example, who own or have use of i-Phones, Blackberrys and similar devices which are certainly more difficult to monitor than a PC and may be a lot more difficult to block.
Some very good points mad by 'purleigh' and 'David W'.
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Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 11:11 AM
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While that is true, why would any responsible parent allow their children's computer login to have administrator privileges - which would be required to alter the network settings.
[quote=walker23]I'm also surprised by the number of 11 year-olds, for example, who own or have use of i-Phones, Blackberrys and similar devices which are certainly more difficult to monitor than a PC and may be a lot more difficult to block.
It causes no end of arguments, even at primary school age, when half the class have a smart phone (for no good reason) and it just isn't fair that your child constantly feels deprived because at break time all these kids whip out their latest 'APP' to show off to the rest of the class. At that age, they have no need for a phone at all, as the parents drop them off and pick them up from the playground. Then when there is the odd occasion what it would be a good idea if you lent your child an ordinary mobile phone (in case of emergency, or that there was a risk of becoming unsupervised) - then your child gets mocked for ONLY having a (perfectly good) ordinary phone which does not have a touch screen or internet access.
We also know of several children who have required hospital attention after being mugged locally after being targeted as carrying the latest "must have" smart phone.
While on the one hand you have some sympathy because of the injuries, but also a certain "it serves you right" for being so bloody stupid - openly carrying a device worth hundreds of pounds.
Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 11:49 AM
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Quote from: purleigh [quote=walker23]I assume that DNS based services can be bypassed if IP addresses are known?
While that is true, why would any responsible parent allow their children's computer login to have administrator privileges - which would be required to alter the network settings.
Don't think that is what they mean. If you know the IP address like 212.58.246.92 for www.bbc.co.uk then using the DNS to block access is probably not going to work.
Re: Plusnet's failure to protect children from online porn
19-04-2012 2:15 PM
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However that does require a reasonable level of technical knowledge by the child and it would still be relatively difficult to obtain the IP address for a chosen site - if an 'nslookup' was done on a connection that is already filtered (although alternative DNS could be specified in the command line).
With that level of knowledge, the child is probably old enough to access the web pages anyway.
Out of interest, what IP address would you use to access 'youtube' ?
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