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Paperless Driving Licence 2015

« on 30/10/2013, 16:33 »
From 2015 all motorists will have to have a paperless driving licence but what does this mean for those drivers holding the old fashioned licence will they be required to hold the new version which includes a photograph and of more importance what if anything will it cost ?

http://www.pedigreeas.co....LicenceForMotoristsBy2015
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« Reply #1 on 30/10/2013, 16:37 »
The article doesn't say that motorists have to have a photo licence, just that the current photo card+paper licence will change to photo card only.
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« Reply #2 on 30/10/2013, 17:08 »
When I got my photocard driving licence (plastic) I also received a paper version as well headed 'Counterpart Driving Licence'

The paper version is issued as defined in the Road Traffic Act and there is an instruction to keep both the photocard and paper counterpart together.
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« Reply #3 on 30/10/2013, 17:46 »
I have just the paper licence - I've lived in the same place for years so haven't qualified by change of address and I refuse to pay for a plastic one.
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« Reply #4 on 30/10/2013, 18:25 »
Eventually you're going to have to - like it or not.   Wink
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« Reply #5 on 30/10/2013, 18:55 »
Another 'paper only' license holder here (mind you it's starting to fall apart - actually that started several years ago).

The fewer things with my photograph the better. 
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« Reply #6 on 30/10/2013, 19:05 »
I also have a card and paper licence, the paper version is a recent replacement for my old one which disintegrated.

The 'new' one is also suffering badly as I carry it with me.

By the way, has anyone tried to find out what information the DVLA holds about you by logging into their system with your Government Gateway User ID.

I did apply for and receive a User ID many moons ago and have forgotten it so tried to resurrect it but I keep going round in circles Angry

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« Reply #7 on 30/10/2013, 19:20 »
I have a plastic one but never carry the paper counterpart!

Recently whilst hiring a car in Rome, I used my plastic licence and my son-in-law used his paper counterpart. Both appeared to contain the relevant info for each driver as far as the hire co. were concerned!  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on 30/10/2013, 19:37 »
By the way, has anyone tried to find out what information the DVLA holds about you by logging into their system with your Government Gateway User ID.

I did apply for and receive a User ID many moons ago and have forgotten it so tried to resurrect it but I keep going round in circles Angry
I just logged in and I could see I have 'Motoring online' but all I could do is set a reference name for it. Other than that all I could appear to do is change email/password.

The gateway must hold a great deal of information for me as I have used it for other than motoring. It seems that you don't actually access the systems you want through gateway.gov.uk but through the service you require like change details on driving licence.
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« Reply #9 on 30/10/2013, 19:41 »
I have a small selection of IDs none of which work on the DVLA site.
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« Reply #10 on 30/10/2013, 20:03 »
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I think you can create a new gateway ID.
I have two, a personal one and one I use for work stuff.
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« Reply #12 on 31/10/2013, 06:16 »
I'll bet there are still some people driving around on their little red book.
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« Reply #13 on 31/10/2013, 08:08 »
Not legally, you HAD to replace those. Still got mine somewhere though.
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« Reply #14 on 31/10/2013, 09:25 »
Lots of license changes, all to bring us in line with Europe.
By December 31st this year all people with a manual car licence and an automatic PCV licence MUST be automatically upgraded to entitle them to drive manual buses and coaches.  Which may go some way to explain some of the coach crashes on the continent.
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« Reply #15 on 31/10/2013, 09:45 »
Confession time: I worked as a Systems Analyst at the DVLC (subsequently DVLA). During that time (mid 70s), I helped design the layout of the paper driving licence. Handling the bi-lingual versions and also the permutations of driving licences/endorsements made life somewhat complex. There was quite a variety of driving licence forms  layouts.The main constraint however was the limitations of the 160 (column) hammer barrel printers which were fast but  not terribly accurate. These printers had a barrel about 6 inches in diameter and the circumference was lined with rows of type characters. You printed a row at a time with the hammers timed to hit  the ribbon against the paper when the appropriate character was in line. If the printer timing was wrong the wrong characters would be printed. At the time these were the fastest printers available.

The problem with paper licences was they soon disintegrated under conditions of wear. With the printing/finishing/paper handling machinery available it was not cost efficient to quickly produce a booklet type of licence.containing the variable licence data.

With the advent of laser printing the situation changed as was then possible to produce very fine print in any surface position on the paper/plastic card. This continues with modern high speed inkjet printers. Hence the production of a plastic card licence which in theory is more durable, but there was still not enough space for endorsements, hence the paper supplement.  With the advent of good on-line systems there is no real need for the paper bit, though it might mean some foreign hire companies might not be able to spot drivers convicted of traffic offences.

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For the mathematicians the last two digits of the driver number are check digits based on modulus 523. When I was involved in preparing test data in the early days we had to calculate these by hand (and long division) until someone had the time to write a program to produce lists of dummy numbers.

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