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	<title>Comments on: Will BBC iPlayer usage break the Internet? - The bandwidth timebomb!</title>
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		<title>By: iPlayer Day &#124; Broadband Stakeholder Group</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-9779</link>
		<dc:creator>iPlayer Day &#124; Broadband Stakeholder Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not been without controversy, however: data from one ISP suggested that iPlayer was responsible for 5% of all traffic on their network, and the BBC came under increasing pressure for its impact on ISP and consumer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: IT PRO: Blogs: The Broadband Stakeholder Group (BSG): iPlayer Day</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-8295</link>
		<dc:creator>IT PRO: Blogs: The Broadband Stakeholder Group (BSG): iPlayer Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not been without controversy, however: data from one ISP suggested that iPlayer was responsible for 5% of all traffic on their network, and the BBC came under increasing pressure for its impact on ISP and consumer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chickendippers</title>
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		<dc:creator>chickendippers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin Media offer the iPlayer on their cable television platform, they&#039;ve gone to great expense to install servers in each locality that provide broadcast quality true VoD programming without using any of their internet bandwidth.

How I miss living in a cabled area; being able to sit on your sofa and watch a program you forgot to set the Sky+ for truly is the next generation of TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin Media offer the iPlayer on their cable television platform, they've gone to great expense to install servers in each locality that provide broadcast quality true VoD programming without using any of their internet bandwidth.</p>
<p>How I miss living in a cabled area; being able to sit on your sofa and watch a program you forgot to set the Sky+ for truly is the next generation of TV.</p>
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		<title>By: rodmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is due to the neglect and low investment by BT in the UK network infrastructure.

It is intresting to note that Virgin media are activley promoting the iplayer on their site for their customers, why? beacuse their network can handle it.

BT have been happy to rake in millions over the last 2 decades, but have invested little of this money back into their network, prefering to look after their shareholders dividends rather than look to the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is due to the neglect and low investment by BT in the UK network infrastructure.</p>
<p>It is intresting to note that Virgin media are activley promoting the iplayer on their site for their customers, why? beacuse their network can handle it.</p>
<p>BT have been happy to rake in millions over the last 2 decades, but have invested little of this money back into their network, prefering to look after their shareholders dividends rather than look to the future.</p>
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		<title>By: ISPs want the Beeb to fund the update of their crappy networks!?! - Alfa Romeo Forum</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>ISPs want the Beeb to fund the update of their crappy networks!?! - Alfa Romeo Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] use it and you ain&#039;t streaming video at that rate.  There is a really good blog on this by plusnet Will BBC iPlayer usage break the Internet? - The bandwidth timebomb! &#124; Community Site News  It&#039;s also worth reading the post on how ISP&#039;s are charged: How UK ISPs are charged for broadband - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] use it and you ain't streaming video at that rate.  There is a really good blog on this by plusnet Will BBC iPlayer usage break the Internet? - The bandwidth timebomb! | Community Site News  It's also worth reading the post on how ISP's are charged: How UK ISPs are charged for broadband - [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Skene</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-2493</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Skene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get annoyed when i read these &quot;death of the net caused by streaming&quot; items. Users who pay for bandwidth should have the right to use that bandwidth for whatever they wish.

Its like paying for petrol for a car and then being told you can only use the fuel for driving up and down a few roads.

The real problem as i see it are these companies who operate &quot;unlimited&quot; use policies based around fair usage policies.

Their idea of fair is that people should be penalised for daring to try and use the product they were sold.

Companies like Tiscali are hinting that they want the BBC to pay towards their unrealistic, oversubscribed, and untenable pricing structures, and when you combine that with fact that you (currently) do not need a tv licence to watch streaming content this seems to be wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get annoyed when i read these "death of the net caused by streaming" items. Users who pay for bandwidth should have the right to use that bandwidth for whatever they wish.</p>
<p>Its like paying for petrol for a car and then being told you can only use the fuel for driving up and down a few roads.</p>
<p>The real problem as i see it are these companies who operate "unlimited" use policies based around fair usage policies.</p>
<p>Their idea of fair is that people should be penalised for daring to try and use the product they were sold.</p>
<p>Companies like Tiscali are hinting that they want the BBC to pay towards their unrealistic, oversubscribed, and untenable pricing structures, and when you combine that with fact that you (currently) do not need a tv licence to watch streaming content this seems to be wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: The iPlayer and the bandwidth timebomb</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-2423</link>
		<dc:creator>The iPlayer and the bandwidth timebomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The bandwidth timebomb! &#124; Community Site News [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordinary users are now starting to USE the broadband capacity they pay for? OH NOES!!!!!1!!one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ordinary users are now starting to USE the broadband capacity they pay for? OH NOES!!!!!1!!one</p>
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		<title>By: MttJocy</title>
		<link>http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/22/will-bbc-iplayer-usage-break-the-internet-the-bandwidth-timebomb/comment-page-1/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>MttJocy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I note that the BBC is providing this data over direct link to the the ISP&#039;s so surely that is where the ISP&#039;s could themselves levy charges for that connectivity, should enough ISP&#039;s see the same problems you do which I am sure they will do then they are likely to be levied at the same time (preventing the BBC saying STFU to the ISP&#039;s doing it without aggravating users by the millions) and others would be sure to follow I imagine.

Having said that there is the other side of the coin, first it was illegal P2P, then it was legal P2P, then it was download stores, now iPlayer, soon presumably other services, the increases in speeds available have raised the possible applications of the system and applications are now appearing one by one to fill it, perhaps then what we are finding is that the model of overselling bandwidth to enable home users to purchase the bandwidth of broadband for much less than the true cost of that bandwidth is becoming a restriction perhaps as this continues to increase ISP&#039;s may have to consider offering unlimited packages again, or ones with high allowances, only unlike last time actually reflecting the true cost of bandwidth in their pricing.

The only problem I can see is while attempting to attract as many people to broadband through overselling at a lower price point than the true value while managing to actually make a profit as well has inadvertently shot themselves in the foot because now many users think that bandwidth is actually a cheap commodity and it isn&#039;t certainly not towards the local loop end especially (the backhaul end is far cheaper, but one massive fiber is much cheaper to maintain and run than thousands of bits of low capacity copper on the other end).

Has anyone ever considered that perhaps what we are seeing is that cheap broadband may well be as much of a myth as the unlimited broadband was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I note that the BBC is providing this data over direct link to the the ISP's so surely that is where the ISP's could themselves levy charges for that connectivity, should enough ISP's see the same problems you do which I am sure they will do then they are likely to be levied at the same time (preventing the BBC saying STFU to the ISP's doing it without aggravating users by the millions) and others would be sure to follow I imagine.</p>
<p>Having said that there is the other side of the coin, first it was illegal P2P, then it was legal P2P, then it was download stores, now iPlayer, soon presumably other services, the increases in speeds available have raised the possible applications of the system and applications are now appearing one by one to fill it, perhaps then what we are finding is that the model of overselling bandwidth to enable home users to purchase the bandwidth of broadband for much less than the true cost of that bandwidth is becoming a restriction perhaps as this continues to increase ISP's may have to consider offering unlimited packages again, or ones with high allowances, only unlike last time actually reflecting the true cost of bandwidth in their pricing.</p>
<p>The only problem I can see is while attempting to attract as many people to broadband through overselling at a lower price point than the true value while managing to actually make a profit as well has inadvertently shot themselves in the foot because now many users think that bandwidth is actually a cheap commodity and it isn't certainly not towards the local loop end especially (the backhaul end is far cheaper, but one massive fiber is much cheaper to maintain and run than thousands of bits of low capacity copper on the other end).</p>
<p>Has anyone ever considered that perhaps what we are seeing is that cheap broadband may well be as much of a myth as the unlimited broadband was?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy:  You are slightly misunderstanding the problem.  Multicasting will help with any bandwidth issues before the traffic hits our platform.  However, this connectivity ISN&#039;T the limiting point.  It is the connectivity from our platform to the exchanges where the problem exists and multicasting or similar technology (without significant investment from BT, or the 21CN launch) won&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy:  You are slightly misunderstanding the problem.  Multicasting will help with any bandwidth issues before the traffic hits our platform.  However, this connectivity ISN'T the limiting point.  It is the connectivity from our platform to the exchanges where the problem exists and multicasting or similar technology (without significant investment from BT, or the 21CN launch) won't help.</p>
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